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 From naveen@lastninja.net  Wed Sep 19 21:15:00 2012
 From: naveen@lastninja.net (Naveen Nathan)
 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:15:00 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] any testimonials from users who transitioned from mutt?
 Message-ID: <20120919211500.GH48050@armakuni.lastninja.net>
 
 Hi,
 
 Mutt and mail savvy user here. It's my daily use client, I use a lot of
 it's features such as threading, tagging, header caching (for imap).
 
 What it truly lacks, even though slightly supported by IMAP, is full-body
 search of email, indexing, etc.
 
 I was wondering if any mutt users who use some of the above features
 mentioned would mind sharing their experience after transitioning to Sup.
 Although I wouldn't be surprised if people still continue to use both.
 
 - Naveen
 
 
 From masterkorp@masterkorp.net  Wed Sep 19 21:47:19 2012
 From: masterkorp@masterkorp.net (Alfredo Palhares)
 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:47:19 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] any testimonials from users who transitioned from
 	mutt?
 In-Reply-To: <20120919211500.GH48050@armakuni.lastninja.net>
 References: <20120919211500.GH48050@armakuni.lastninja.net>
 Message-ID: <1348090678-sup-2446@masterkorp.net>
 
 Excerpts from Naveen Nathan's message of Wed Sep 19 23:15:00 +0200 2012:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > Mutt and mail savvy user here. It's my daily use client, I use a lot of
 > it's features such as threading, tagging, header caching (for imap).
 > 
 > What it truly lacks, even though slightly supported by IMAP, is full-body
 > search of email, indexing, etc.
 What i notice the most, is *speed*, mutt gets unbearable on big mailboxes.
 Also the label is approach is much better, just because having more than one label
 in an thread can be very usefull.
 Also prefer the UI, tudier for tilling WMs and smarthphones (altough mutt can be
 customized)
 
 > I was wondering if any mutt users who use some of the above features
 > mentioned would mind sharing their experience after transitioning to Sup.
 > Although I wouldn't be surprised if people still continue to use both.
 One thing about sup, is that you have to go cold turkey, sup does not sync
 back to the mailbox. I solved that problem by placing it under tmux on a 
 24/7 avaliable server, so i just ssh to tmux, from the computer, cellphone,
 public machine whatever.
 
 I eventually want to migrate to heliotrope once a decent client shows up.
 
 But if you're on mutt and dont bother about using only one client for email,
 Sup is awesome
 
 --
 Regards,
 Alfredo Palhares
 
 From allan_wind@lifeintegrity.com  Wed Sep 19 21:56:57 2012
 From: allan_wind@lifeintegrity.com (Allan Wind)
 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:56:57 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] any testimonials from users who transitioned from
  mutt?
 In-Reply-To: <20120919211500.GH48050@armakuni.lastninja.net>
 References: <20120919211500.GH48050@armakuni.lastninja.net>
 Message-ID: <20120919215657.GA17624@lifeintegrity.com>
 
 On 2012-09-19 14:15:00, Naveen Nathan wrote:
 > I was wondering if any mutt users who use some of the above features
 > mentioned would mind sharing their experience after transitioning to Sup.
 > Although I wouldn't be surprised if people still continue to use both.
 
 sup, afaik, is dead <http://masanjin.net/>:
 
 I leave behind me the wreckage of unmaintained or handed-off 
 projects: 
 ...
 Sup, an email client for people with lots of mail.
 
 You may, however, want to check out <http://notmuchmail.org/> and
 <https://github.com/karelzak/mutt-kz>
 
 
 /Allan
 -- 
 Allan Wind
 Life Integrity, LLC
 <http://lifeintegrity.com>
 
 From jim@gonzul.net  Thu Sep 20 00:12:54 2012
 From: jim@gonzul.net (Jim Cheetham)
 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:12:54 +1200
 Subject: [sup-talk] any testimonials from users who transitioned from
 	mutt?
 In-Reply-To: <20120919215657.GA17624@lifeintegrity.com>
 References: <20120919211500.GH48050@armakuni.lastninja.net>
 	<20120919215657.GA17624@lifeintegrity.com>
 Message-ID: <CA+2knquXHSnK=uBoNCFDG6q58o4+S4k5AHNi86dVnH6PQmDsuA@mail.gmail.com>
 
 On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Allan Wind
 <allan_wind at lifeintegrity.com> wrote:
 > On 2012-09-19 14:15:00, Naveen Nathan wrote:
 > sup, afaik, is dead <http://masanjin.net/>:
 >
 > I leave behind me the wreckage of unmaintained or handed-off
 > projects:
 > ...
 > Sup, an email client for people with lots of mail.
 >
 > You may, however, want to check out <http://notmuchmail.org/> and
 > <https://github.com/karelzak/mutt-kz>
 
 Well, I've moved on from sup because of the non-maintained status, and
 problems with gpgme versions.
 Now running heliotrope/turnsole, and in general it's fine, almost as
 good as sup but with many more rough edges. Turnsole crashes a lot,
 which isn't a big problem because state is in heliotrope & not the
 client; but some features seem to be missing completely -- I haven't
 figured out GPG signing yet. I expect that before_add hooks would need
 in heliotrope and I haven't looked for them yet.
 
 However, looking at the original post, perhaps notmuch with mutt
 integration (i.e. it creates temporary folders based on searches)
 would suit well?
 
 -jim
 
 From sup@zevv.nl  Thu Sep 20 06:43:53 2012
 From: sup@zevv.nl (Ico)
 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 08:43:53 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] any testimonials from users who transitioned from
 	mutt?
 In-Reply-To: <20120919211500.GH48050@armakuni.lastninja.net>
 References: <20120919211500.GH48050@armakuni.lastninja.net>
 Message-ID: <1348123080-sup-7217@pruts.nl>
 
 > Mutt and mail savvy user here. It's my daily use client, I use a lot of
 > it's features such as threading, tagging, header caching (for imap).
 > 
 > What it truly lacks, even though slightly supported by IMAP, is full-body
 > search of email, indexing, etc.
 
 I've been a long time mutt user before switching to sup a few years ago. Mutt
 indeed lacks proper searching and indexing, but for this I found mairix [1],
 which with some scripting [2], .muttrc [3] configuration and a cronjob [4] can
 be integrated into mutt pretty seamless.
 
 I eventually switched to sup not mainly for of the indexing/searching, but
 because of the unique way sup keeps track of threads.
 
 Now that sup is pretty much dead I find myself poking around in the
 source more and more often, but maybe it is about time to switch back to
 mutt for more stability :(
 
 
 
 1. http://www.rpcurnow.force9.co.uk/mairix/
 
 2. ~/bin/searchmail
 
    #!/bin/sh
    
    echo -n "Search for: "
    read expr
    
    echo $expr
    
    if [ "$expr" = "" ]; then
            clear
            mairix --help
            read
            exit
    fi
    
    mairix $expr
 
 3. .muttrc
 
    macro index <esc>s !searchmail\nc=searched\n
    macro pager <esc>s !searchmail\nc=searched\n
 
 4. crontab
  
    */10 * * * *   ~/bin/mairix
 
 -- 
 :wq
 ^X^Cy^K^X^C^C^C^C
 
 From sdothum@gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 22:25:23 2012
 From: sdothum@gmail.com (Steven Hum)
 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:25:23 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] any testimonials from users who transitioned from
 	mutt?
 In-Reply-To: <1348123080-sup-7217@pruts.nl>
 References: <20120919211500.GH48050@armakuni.lastninja.net>
 	<1348123080-sup-7217@pruts.nl>
 Message-ID: <1348177473-sup-7941@monad>
 
 I have used mutt with notmuch for ages and thought I would never switch 
 until I came across sup recently. (notmuch, by the way is a very 
 competent search mechanism - I believe there is even a mutt fork afoot 
 to integrate it more seamlessly into mutt).
 
 sup does not back sync to maildir which for me should be a deal breaker 
 as I like using offlineimap/imapfilter to maintain persistent mail on my 
 desktop and laptop which allows me to peruse and respond to emails even 
 when I am not connected to the Internet.
 
 Alas, I find sup so compelling a mail client that I am, for now, willing 
 to put up with that serious lack. There are sup forks I have been 
 looking into that appear to address this issue - but I am not sure if 
 anyone is going to spearhead taking sup over officially to merge the 
 work done in this area. 
 
 The heliotrope/turnsole project is still not ready for prime time 
 - beyond installation for me at least, the turnsole client crashes 
 a lot.  Even then, I am not sure if heliotrope will address the maildir 
 back sync issue (there is an imaptrope fork which may address this). If 
 it doesn't, it may not provide me with any benefit towards my offline 
 mail usage.
 
 Like earlier posts, sup's tagging, smart conversation view (with only 
 unread messages expanded - I am not sure if even Google's web gmail 
 interface offers that) and facility to auto archive 
 threads/folders/whatever rules you wish, just makes the email process 
 more compelling and effective (for me) by eliminating inbox noise.
 
 The big back sync issue, however, does mean sup is non-destructive, so 
 is worth a look if you are one of those people who is forever looking 
 for the perfect email client (that sucks less :-) mutt will stay on my 
 system if sup's maildir deficiency becomes intolerable - for now, 
 I foresee using it to periodically prune and manage my maildirs.
 
 Steven
 -- 
 "Truth or die."
 
 Steven Hum  
 5 - 28 Gilmour St  
 Ottawa, ON K2P 0N3  
 email sdothum at gmail.com  
 tel 613.237.9058  
 
 From matthieu.rakotojaona@gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 23:58:34 2012
 From: matthieu.rakotojaona@gmail.com (Matthieu Rakotojaona)
 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 01:58:34 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] any testimonials from users who transitioned from
 	mutt?
 In-Reply-To: <1348177473-sup-7941@monad>
 References: <20120919211500.GH48050@armakuni.lastninja.net>
 	<1348123080-sup-7217@pruts.nl> <1348177473-sup-7941@monad>
 Message-ID: <CAMiZLn3pLumCw2Zmm6i+5hV8y_FtgjDBtDjJH57qhVoRONWT5g@mail.gmail.com>
 
 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Steven Hum <sdothum at gmail.com> wrote:
 > Even then, I am not sure if heliotrope will address the maildir
 > back sync issue (there is an imaptrope fork which may address this). If
 > it doesn't, it may not provide me with any benefit towards my offline
 > mail usage.
 
 I guess you're talking about https://github.com/rakoo/imaptrope. This
 was actually the only reason why I didn't use heliotrope/turnsole (and
 sup before it) full-time : I didn't want to do some gymnastics back
 and forth for my mail, like everyone here. That's why I started
 imaptrope. Unfortunately, I arrived to a point where using http
 doesn't give me sufficient speed for the task. So I set out to
 integrate it directly in heliotrope.
 
 The result of my work is at
 https://github.com/rakoo/heliotrope/tree/imap. You can now run an imap
 server along the http one with the following command :
 
   ruby -Ilib bin/heliotrope-server -d /path/to/data --with-imap
 
 and connect to it on localhost:10142. As I explain in the README, the
 goal is not to do a fully functional IMAP server, but just enough bits
 to work with OfflineIMAP. This software does a great job, and will be
 a very helpful tool for a smooth transition. This will be better than
 reimplementing some 2-way-syncing-magic once again.
 
 For the moment, heliotrope -> maildir works with a standard
 offlineimap installation. Yay ! Don't do it on big mailboxes though,
 because it will be horribly long (and by big I mean 100 messages. Yes,
 that's not big, I'm working on it)
 
 It is saddening to see that many people are interested in this great
 project yet seems to be dying. I was thinking this may be due to
 William abandoning sup in favor of heliotrope, and everyone still
 following the former ? Anyway, I'll be happily hacking on heliotrope,
 so everyone who is willing to continue is warmly invited to test
 things out !
 
 
 -- 
 Matthieu RAKOTOJAONA
 
 From matthieu.rakotojaona@gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 22:13:57 2012
 From: matthieu.rakotojaona@gmail.com (Matthieu Rakotojaona)
 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:13:57 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] Update in heliotrope !
 Message-ID: <CAMiZLn3ipaH=j+-hZBmnb-XhFc1QwQFG7J-Mqw2oHmvuuKRKzw@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I have updated my version of heliotrope on my imap branch
 (https://github.com/rakoo/heliotrope/tree/imap). You just have to
 clone it and checkout the branch.
 You may now synchronize your mails between heliotrope and a maildir
 with offlineimap. I tested most of  the situations that can happen
 when using it (Adding/removing a label on heliotrope side,
 adding/removing a mail on maildir side)
 
 A few notes :
 
 * It is not "multi-write-safe", in the sense that you should stop all
 other activity with heliotrope while you sync with offlinimap.
 Concurrent access will have unknown outcome.
 * To continue on this point, use offlineimap with the `-1` flag, which
 will turn off multithreading. It should work without it though,
 because AFAIK offlineimap threads do not share mailboxes. But I'm not
 sure.
 * There are a few hardcoded labels/dir that you should find in your
 maildir, such as INBOX/inbox and "All Mail", which has no equivalent
 in heliotrope. Fear not, this one is taken care of.
 * Syncing with another IMAP server should also work,because it is
 transparent to offlineimap (at least from the outside)
 
 Have fun !
 
 -- 
 Matthieu RAKOTOJAONA