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 From cjparsons1@yahoo.co.uk  Thu Nov  4 10:22:02 2010
 From: cjparsons1@yahoo.co.uk (Chris Parsons)
 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 14:22:02 +0000
 Subject: [sup-talk] Killed threads reappearing in inbox
 Message-ID: <1288879799-sup-5465@chris-eee>
 
 I'm running a relatively recent git branch of master
 
 > git log
 commit 60573298a2258c101a85b3de8121f73d7aec2d51
 Author: Michael Hamann <michael at content-space.de>
 Date:   Fri Oct 8 10:03:36 2010 -0400
 
 If a mail arrives and I press "&" to kill the thread then it
 disappears from my inbox. If I do a search for killed messages it
 shows up.
 
 If another mail arrives in the same thread then it shows up in my
 inbox, including the "killed" tag (as attachment).
 
 Is there something I'm doing wrong?
 
 Chris
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 From michael+sup@stapelberg.de  Sat Nov  6 09:29:48 2010
 From: michael+sup@stapelberg.de (Michael Stapelberg)
 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 14:29:48 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] Killed threads reappearing in inbox
 In-Reply-To: <1288879799-sup-5465@chris-eee>
 References: <1288879799-sup-5465@chris-eee>
 Message-ID: <1289050088-sup-8173@midna.zekjur.net>
 
 Hi Chris,
 
 Excerpts from Chris Parsons's message of 2010-11-04 15:22:02 +0100:
 > If another mail arrives in the same thread then it shows up in my
 > inbox, including the "killed" tag (as attachment).
 Can you try updating to the latest version, which includes the following patch?
 http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/sup-devel/2010-October/000780.html
 
 If the problem still happens, can you please forward me the message with which
 you have that problem? (gzip it before to make sure it doesn?t get modified in
 any way)
 
 Best regards,
 Michael
 
 From mnjagadeesh@gmail.com  Mon Nov  8 10:45:16 2010
 From: mnjagadeesh@gmail.com (Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar)
 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:15:16 +0530
 Subject: [sup-talk] How to install sup on gentoo?
 Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Pvv27TS7oC=8RU6Lz9NAi5w0zD1PWZVRzmLYt@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hi,
 
 This is indeed Gentoo question but for curiosity I am asking, how to
 install sup on gentoo? I have installed using gem but imap support is
 missing on sup 0.11. On Linux mint I am using sup 0.10.2 which is
 working fine. But sometimes it throws exception, but after restart it
 works fine.
 
 May I know why Sup 0.11 does not have imap support?
 
 -- 
 Many Thanks
 Jagadeesh N.Malakannavar
 GSM: +91 9448471968
 H 81?? L 66?
 
 From michael+sup@stapelberg.de  Mon Nov  8 12:48:48 2010
 From: michael+sup@stapelberg.de (Michael Stapelberg)
 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:48:48 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] How to install sup on gentoo?
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Pvv27TS7oC=8RU6Lz9NAi5w0zD1PWZVRzmLYt@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTi=Pvv27TS7oC=8RU6Lz9NAi5w0zD1PWZVRzmLYt@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1289238466-sup-7050@midna.zekjur.net>
 
 Hi Jagadeesh,
 
 Excerpts from Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar's message of 2010-11-08 16:45:16 +0100:
 > May I know why Sup 0.11 does not have imap support?
 imap support was removed because it did not work properly and to facilitate the
 process of rewriting the source mechanism (using maildir as single source).
 Instead of an imap source, use offlineimap + maildir - it?s a lot faster!
 
 Best regards,
 Michael
 
 From hollunder@lavabit.com  Mon Nov  8 13:20:32 2010
 From: hollunder@lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=)
 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:20:32 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] How to install sup on gentoo?
 In-Reply-To: <1289238466-sup-7050@midna.zekjur.net>
 References: <AANLkTi=Pvv27TS7oC=8RU6Lz9NAi5w0zD1PWZVRzmLYt@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1289238466-sup-7050@midna.zekjur.net>
 Message-ID: <1289240405-sup-4176@eris>
 
 Excerpts from Michael Stapelberg's message of 2010-11-08 18:48:48 +0100:
 > Hi Jagadeesh,
 > 
 > Excerpts from Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar's message of 2010-11-08 16:45:16 +0100:
 > > May I know why Sup 0.11 does not have imap support?
 > imap support was removed because it did not work properly and to facilitate the
 > process of rewriting the source mechanism (using maildir as single source).
 > Instead of an imap source, use offlineimap + maildir - it?s a lot faster!
 > 
 > Best regards,
 > Michael
 
 offlineimap seems to be unmaintained though..
 it works, mostly, for now
 
 
 From mnjagadeesh@gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 01:48:39 2010
 From: mnjagadeesh@gmail.com (Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar)
 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:18:39 +0530
 Subject: [sup-talk] strange chars in email body
 Message-ID: <AANLkTik-iKeM5yiHEKdujUesQ0Frpuq7ycFQBB+CZ0ov@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hi,
 
 I am seeing strange characters like
 
 
 M-b~@~S
 M-b~@~Y    [for donM-b~@~Yt]
 
 In the email body. I am using
 
 $  sup -v
 sup vgit
 
 $ echo $LANG
 en_US.utf8
 
 Am I setting anything wrong?
 
 
 -- J <http://www.google.com>agadeesh
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 From mnjagadeesh@gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 02:23:19 2010
 From: mnjagadeesh@gmail.com (Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar)
 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:53:19 +0530
 Subject: [sup-talk] Number of news in title?
 Message-ID: <AANLkTin=FXt3XESsjGMFJ_udXtUT2Dy2TTWasJkOk1Sj@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there any way to have number of new emails in the title of the window? I
 am using rxvt-unicode.
 This will be very helpful feature.
 
 Thanks
 Jagadeesh
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 From aidecoe@aidecoe.name  Wed Nov 10 04:54:08 2010
 From: aidecoe@aidecoe.name (=?utf-8?q?Amadeusz_=C5=BBo=C5=82nowski?=)
 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:54:08 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] strange chars in email body
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik-iKeM5yiHEKdujUesQ0Frpuq7ycFQBB+CZ0ov@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTik-iKeM5yiHEKdujUesQ0Frpuq7ycFQBB+CZ0ov@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1289382791-sup-6828@ittemni>
 
 Hi,
 
 Excerpts from Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar's message of Wed Nov 10 07:48:39 +0100 2010:
 > I am seeing strange characters like
 > 
 > 
 > M-b~@~S
 > M-b~@~Y    [for donM-b~@~Yt]
 > 
 > In the email body. I am using
 > 
 > $  sup -v
 > sup vgit
 > 
 > $ echo $LANG
 > en_US.utf8
 > 
 > Am I setting anything wrong?
 
 Have you installed ncursesw gem?
 --
 Amadeusz ?o?nowski
 
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 From shadowfirebird@gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 07:07:40 2010
 From: shadowfirebird@gmail.com (Shadowfirebird)
 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:07:40 +0000
 Subject: [sup-talk] Errors installing ncursesw
 Message-ID: <1289390629-sup-7999@blake>
 
 Given the other thread on how ncursesw cures those odd character strings, I've revisited this myself and I wonder if I could get suggestions.
 
 >>>>
 user at computer:$ sudo gem install ncursesw
 Building native extensions.  This could take a while...
 ERROR:  Error installing ncursesw:
 	ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
 
 /usr/bin/ruby1.8 extconf.rb
 checking for unistd.h... yes
 checking for locale.h... yes
 checking for ncurses.h... yes
 checking for wmove() in -lncursesw... no
 checking for wmove() in -lpdcurses... no
 *** extconf.rb failed ***
 Could not create Makefile due to some reason, probably lack of
 necessary libraries and/or headers.  Check the mkmf.log file for more
 details.  You may need configuration options.
 <<<<
 
 Can anyone tell me where mkmf.log will be?  Not in the directory where I ran gem install.
 
 I'm on Ubuntu 9.04 -- is that the problem?
 
 -- 
 It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is
 lightly greased.
 		-- Kehlog Albran, "The Profit"
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 From wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net  Wed Nov 10 10:06:07 2010
 From: wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net (William Morgan)
 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:06:07 -0500
 Subject: [sup-talk] Number of news in title?
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin=FXt3XESsjGMFJ_udXtUT2Dy2TTWasJkOk1Sj@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTin=FXt3XESsjGMFJ_udXtUT2Dy2TTWasJkOk1Sj@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1289401553-sup-7900@masanjin.net>
 
 Reformatted excerpts from Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar's message of 2010-11-10:
 > Is there any way to have number of new emails in the title of the
 > window? I am using rxvt-unicode.  This will be very helpful feature.
 
 Check out the terminal-title-text hook.
 -- 
 William <wmorgan-sup at masanjin.net>
 
 From wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net  Wed Nov 10 10:04:15 2010
 From: wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net (William Morgan)
 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:04:15 -0500
 Subject: [sup-talk] Errors installing ncursesw
 In-Reply-To: <1289390629-sup-7999@blake>
 References: <1289390629-sup-7999@blake>
 Message-ID: <1289401337-sup-2208@masanjin.net>
 
 Reformatted excerpts from Shadowfirebird's message of 2010-11-10:
 > /usr/bin/ruby1.8 extconf.rb
 > checking for unistd.h... yes
 > checking for locale.h... yes
 > checking for ncurses.h... yes
 > checking for wmove() in -lncursesw... no
 > checking for wmove() in -lpdcurses... no
 > *** extconf.rb failed ***
 > Could not create Makefile due to some reason, probably lack of
 > necessary libraries and/or headers.  Check the mkmf.log file for more
 > details.  You may need configuration options.
 > <<<<
 > 
 > Can anyone tell me where mkmf.log will be?  Not in the directory where
 > I ran gem install.
 
 I'm not sure where mkmf.log is (I think newer versions of Rubygems are
 better about telling you) but the above messages are the clue that you
 need to apt-get install libncursesw-dev or something like it.
 -- 
 William <wmorgan-sup at masanjin.net>
 
 From marka@pobox.com  Wed Nov 10 10:46:53 2010
 From: marka@pobox.com (Mark Alexander)
 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:46:53 -0500
 Subject: [sup-talk] Errors installing ncursesw
 In-Reply-To: <1289390629-sup-7999@blake>
 References: <1289390629-sup-7999@blake>
 Message-ID: <1289403600-sup-5733@r61>
 
 Excerpts from Shadowfirebird's message of Wed Nov 10 07:07:40 -0500 2010:
 > Can anyone tell me where mkmf.log will be?  Not in the directory where I ran gem install.
 
 If you run 'gem env' you'll see something like this:
 
   ...
   - GEM PATHS:
      - /var/lib/gems/1.8
   ...
 
 Then in that directory you'll see a directory called 'gems' that will
 contain the source directories for the various gems.  mkmf.log should
 be in the directory containing the failing gem.  If you look at the
 log, there will often be a clue pointing to a missing header file or
 library.  To fix this, you'll typically have to install some kind of
 development library.  For example, on Ubuntu, if you're getting
 failures installing the ncursesw gem, you'll probably have to install
 the libncursesw5-dev package.  You can find a list of candidate
 packages by doing 'aptitude search ncursesw'.
 
 From mnjagadeesh@gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 11:52:07 2010
 From: mnjagadeesh@gmail.com (Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar)
 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:22:07 +0530
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup compatible issue
 Message-ID: <AANLkTinGQoeJ5BzrBEsMbe+DXcih2JEFWquGjnFkUPnM@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hi,
 
 Couple days back I upgraded sup 0.10.2 to sup vgit.
 I noticed that ~/.sup/hooks are not in effect with sup vgit.
 
 Is it known issue?
 
 Thanks
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 From michael+sup@stapelberg.de  Wed Nov 10 12:57:52 2010
 From: michael+sup@stapelberg.de (Michael Stapelberg)
 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:57:52 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup compatible issue
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinGQoeJ5BzrBEsMbe+DXcih2JEFWquGjnFkUPnM@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTinGQoeJ5BzrBEsMbe+DXcih2JEFWquGjnFkUPnM@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1289411836-sup-724@midna.zekjur.net>
 
 Hi Jagadeesh,
 
 Excerpts from Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar's message of 2010-11-10 17:52:07 +0100:
 > Couple days back I upgraded sup 0.10.2 to sup vgit.
 With vgit, do you mean the latest git version of the mainline branch?
 
 > I noticed that ~/.sup/hooks are not in effect with sup vgit.
 > Is it known issue?
 No, I use the git version with hooks, it works fine.
 
 Best regards,
 Michael
 
 From hollunder@lavabit.com  Wed Nov 10 15:43:31 2010
 From: hollunder@lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=)
 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:43:31 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] strange chars in email body
 In-Reply-To: <1289382791-sup-6828@ittemni>
 References: <AANLkTik-iKeM5yiHEKdujUesQ0Frpuq7ycFQBB+CZ0ov@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1289382791-sup-6828@ittemni>
 Message-ID: <1289421693-sup-3466@eris>
 
 Excerpts from Amadeusz ?o?nowski's message of 2010-11-10 10:54:08 +0100:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > Excerpts from Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar's message of Wed Nov 10 07:48:39 +0100 2010:
 > > I am seeing strange characters like
 > > 
 > > 
 > > M-b~@~S
 > > M-b~@~Y    [for donM-b~@~Yt]
 > > 
 > > In the email body. I am using
 > > 
 > > $  sup -v
 > > sup vgit
 > > 
 > > $ echo $LANG
 > > en_US.utf8
 > > 
 > > Am I setting anything wrong?
 > 
 > Have you installed ncursesw gem?
 
 I'm not the original poster, run sup 0.11, have ncursesw installed and
 see stuff like that also all the time. Most of the time in mails from
 German windows (probably outlook) users.
 
 
 From mnjagadeesh@gmail.com  Thu Nov 11 22:47:34 2010
 From: mnjagadeesh@gmail.com (Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar)
 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:17:34 +0530
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup integration LDAP?
 Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0A7HzF4O8ypwPJ5Y6Xy6ddYAzXon8ar47yTvU@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hi,
 May I know hot to integrate sup with LDAP? OR I need to populate
 contacts.txt using separate script?
 
 Thanks
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 From tero@tilus.net  Fri Nov 12 04:13:34 2010
 From: tero@tilus.net (Tero Tilus)
 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:13:34 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup integration LDAP?
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=0A7HzF4O8ypwPJ5Y6Xy6ddYAzXon8ar47yTvU@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTi=0A7HzF4O8ypwPJ5Y6Xy6ddYAzXon8ar47yTvU@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1289552495-sup-8604@tilus.net>
 
 Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar, 2010-11-12 05:47:
 > May I know hot to integrate sup with LDAP?
 
 Sup has extra-contact-addresses hook you can use to integrate sup to
 external directories, e.g. LDAP.  From `sup -l`
 
 ...
 extra-contact-addresses
 -----------------------
 File: ~/.sup/hooks/extra-contact-addresses.rb
 A list of extra addresses to propose for tab completion, etc. when the
 user is entering an email address. Can be plain email addresses or can
 be full "User Name <email at domain.tld>" entries.
 
 Variables: none
 Return value: an array of email address strings.
 ...
 
 There are integration instructions in sup wiki for two different
 approaches: either use lbdbq to query LDAP on demand (up to date) or
 directly read lbdb cache (fast).
 
 http://sup.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?LbdbIntegration
 
 --
 Tero Tilus ## 050 3635 235 ## http://tero.tilus.net/
 
 From vallentin@icsi.berkeley.edu  Sun Nov 14 19:49:31 2010
 From: vallentin@icsi.berkeley.edu (Matthias Vallentin)
 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 16:49:31 -0800
 Subject: [sup-talk] (no subject)
 Message-ID: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 
 I am a Mutt user interested in switching to Sup. One thing that is not
 clear to me is how to find new unread messages that skipped the inbox.
 Coming from the world of mail folders, I can monitor each folder for
 unread messages and switch to it when I see that a new one has arrived.
 Often, a buffy tool (or the Mutt sidebar) can be used to display the
 various folders with their new message counts. How would that mindset
 translate to Sup? Would I have to regularly query all (or a just a
 subset of) labels to get an idea whether label X "received" a new
 message?
 
   Matthias
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Sun Nov 14 20:46:13 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:46:13 -0500
 Subject: [sup-talk] (no subject)
 In-Reply-To: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 References: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 Message-ID: <1289785548-sup-7693@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from Matthias Vallentin's message of Sun Nov 14 19:49:31 -0500 2010:
 
 Hi Matthias,
 
 The query: is:unread
 should work for you.  This is such a common action that the key U is
 bound to run this query.
 
 Thanks
 -Ben
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From ezyang@MIT.EDU  Sun Nov 14 20:42:42 2010
 From: ezyang@MIT.EDU (Edward Z. Yang)
 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:42:42 -0500
 Subject: [sup-talk] (no subject)
 In-Reply-To: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 References: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 Message-ID: <1289785328-sup-6895@ezyang>
 
 Excerpts from Matthias Vallentin's message of Sun Nov 14 19:49:31 -0500 2010:
 > I am a Mutt user interested in switching to Sup. One thing that is not
 > clear to me is how to find new unread messages that skipped the inbox.
 > Coming from the world of mail folders, I can monitor each folder for
 > unread messages and switch to it when I see that a new one has arrived.
 > Often, a buffy tool (or the Mutt sidebar) can be used to display the
 > various folders with their new message counts. How would that mindset
 > translate to Sup? Would I have to regularly query all (or a just a
 > subset of) labels to get an idea whether label X "received" a new
 > message?
 
 I use the keybinding 'U', which performs the is:unread search.
 
 Cheers,
 Edward
 
 From matiasaguirre@gmail.com  Sun Nov 14 20:50:57 2010
 From: matiasaguirre@gmail.com (Matias Aguirre)
 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:50:57 -0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] (no subject)
 In-Reply-To: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 References: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 Message-ID: <1289785794-sup-2712@mintaka>
 
 There's a unread folder you can check, just type shift+l to get the
 folder listing and it will be there.
 
 Mat?as
 
 Excerpts from Matthias Vallentin's message of Sun Nov 14 22:49:31 -0200 2010:
 > I am a Mutt user interested in switching to Sup. One thing that is not
 > clear to me is how to find new unread messages that skipped the inbox.
 > Coming from the world of mail folders, I can monitor each folder for
 > unread messages and switch to it when I see that a new one has arrived.
 > Often, a buffy tool (or the Mutt sidebar) can be used to display the
 > various folders with their new message counts. How would that mindset
 > translate to Sup? Would I have to regularly query all (or a just a
 > subset of) labels to get an idea whether label X "received" a new
 > message?
 > 
 >   Matthias
 --
 Mat?as Aguirre <matiasaguirre at gmail.com>
 
 From vallentin@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU  Mon Nov 15 01:57:37 2010
 From: vallentin@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Matthias Vallentin)
 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:57:37 -0800
 Subject: [sup-talk] (no subject)
 In-Reply-To: <1289785328-sup-6895@ezyang>
 References: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 	<1289785328-sup-6895@ezyang>
 Message-ID: <20101115065737.GT34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 
 > I use the keybinding 'U', which performs the is:unread search.
 
 Without having tested it, the is:unread search seems to return a stream
 of unread messages, each of which can have arbitrary labels and is not
 necessarily ordered. Is there functionality that also displays unread
 counts per label? My chief interest is to find out how easy it is to
 obtain a one-shot, big-picture summary of unread mail.
 
    Matthias
 
 From helgedt@tihlde.org  Mon Nov 15 03:06:12 2010
 From: helgedt@tihlde.org (Helge Titlestad)
 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:06:12 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] (no subject)
 In-Reply-To: <20101115065737.GT34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 References: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 	<1289785328-sup-6895@ezyang>
 	<20101115065737.GT34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 Message-ID: <1289808190-sup-7457@colargol.tihlde.org>
 
 Excerpts from Matthias Vallentin's message of Mon Nov 15 07:57:37 +0100 2010:
 > Without having tested it, the is:unread search seems to return a stream
 > of unread messages, each of which can have arbitrary labels and is not
 > necessarily ordered. Is there functionality that also displays unread
 > counts per label? My chief interest is to find out how easy it is to
 > obtain a one-shot, big-picture summary of unread mail.
 
 "L" and then enter (don't search for anything) gives you a list of lables,
 including the unread count (although it does not order it by # unread). Is that
 what you're after?
 
 -- 
 77660
 
 From brian@microcomaustralia.com.au  Mon Nov 15 17:14:23 2010
 From: brian@microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:14:23 +1100
 Subject: [sup-talk] searching buffer
 Message-ID: <AANLkTimMvv0QuTGAn0UAX7NJOu-f3eD8o8Qe=C18yVLn@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hello,
 
 When viewing a message, I can use "/text" to search for the first
 instance of "text" in the buffer.
 
 How do I repeat this and find the 2nd or even 3rd instance of "text"?
 
 Thanks
 -- 
 Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>
 
 From brian@microcomaustralia.com.au  Mon Nov 15 18:58:54 2010
 From: brian@microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:58:54 +1100
 Subject: [sup-talk] searching buffer
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik7-jqHqu+CSBeFXxVvBOdcytTJPisAGGwbkHbS@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTimMvv0QuTGAn0UAX7NJOu-f3eD8o8Qe=C18yVLn@mail.gmail.com>
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 On 16 November 2010 10:54, Hamish D <dmishd at gmail.com> wrote:
 > Press enter to end the search, then press 'n' to go through subsequent
 > matches.
 
 Doesn't work. Instead of going to the next search results, it hides
 the results of the last search.
 
 Furthermore, the help on my system says n has a different function:
 
        n : Jump to next open message
 
 -- 
 Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>
 
 From blakes.85@gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 19:16:10 2010
 From: blakes.85@gmail.com (Blake Sweeney)
 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:16:10 -0500
 Subject: [sup-talk] searching buffer
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimMvv0QuTGAn0UAX7NJOu-f3eD8o8Qe=C18yVLn@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTimMvv0QuTGAn0UAX7NJOu-f3eD8o8Qe=C18yVLn@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1289866508-sup-6130@prefontaine.local>
 
 Excerpts from Brian May's message of Mon Nov 15 17:14:23 -0500 2010:
 > When viewing a message, I can use "/text" to search for the first
 > instance of "text" in the buffer.
 > 
 > How do I repeat this and find the 2nd or even 3rd instance of "text"?
 
 I use 'n'.
 
 
 Blake
 
 From groups@hjdivad.com  Tue Nov 16 11:40:01 2010
 From: groups@hjdivad.com (David J. Hamilton)
 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:40:01 -0800
 Subject: [sup-talk] searching buffer
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=N-Rbe9smXbmGaycDyAB49VKi4PV85=q4YoDG-@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTimMvv0QuTGAn0UAX7NJOu-f3eD8o8Qe=C18yVLn@mail.gmail.com>
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 Message-ID: <1289925383-sup-9748@nyx.local>
 
 Excerpts from Brian May's message of Mon Nov 15 15:58:54 -0800 2010:
 > On 16 November 2010 10:54, Hamish D <dmishd at gmail.com> wrote:
 > > Press enter to end the search, then press 'n' to go through subsequent
 > > matches.
 > 
 > Doesn't work. Instead of going to the next search results, it hides
 > the results of the last search.
 
 You might want to retry with all of the messages open.  The search feature seems
 to really only search the buffer, and not the ?collapsed? text (e.g. message
 body text in a closed message).  The same applies to hitting ?n? to advance to
 the next search result.
 
 -- 
 med v?nlig h?lsning
 David J. Hamilton
 
 From brian@microcomaustralia.com.au  Tue Nov 16 17:30:09 2010
 From: brian@microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:30:09 +1100
 Subject: [sup-talk] searching buffer
 In-Reply-To: <1289925383-sup-9748@nyx.local>
 References: <AANLkTimMvv0QuTGAn0UAX7NJOu-f3eD8o8Qe=C18yVLn@mail.gmail.com>
 	<AANLkTik7-jqHqu+CSBeFXxVvBOdcytTJPisAGGwbkHbS@mail.gmail.com>
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 On 17 November 2010 03:40, David J. Hamilton <groups at hjdivad.com> wrote:
 > You might want to retry with all of the messages open. ?The search feature seems
 > to really only search the buffer, and not the ?collapsed? text (e.g. message
 > body text in a closed message). ?The same applies to hitting ?n? to advance to
 > the next search result.
 
 Yes, tried that.
 
 Like I said, 'n' hides all the existing search results.
 
 'n' would appear to map to the "Jump to next open message" function,
 not the "find next search result" function.
 -- 
 Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>
 
 From groups@hjdivad.com  Tue Nov 16 23:38:54 2010
 From: groups@hjdivad.com (David J. Hamilton)
 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:38:54 -0800
 Subject: [sup-talk] searching buffer
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=+SiM33JgeBpMHc=0Tm9zv4Ckw0dHt_SwMFDuf@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTimMvv0QuTGAn0UAX7NJOu-f3eD8o8Qe=C18yVLn@mail.gmail.com>
 	<AANLkTik7-jqHqu+CSBeFXxVvBOdcytTJPisAGGwbkHbS@mail.gmail.com>
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 Message-ID: <1289968347-sup-5996@nyx.local>
 
 Excerpts from Brian May's message of Tue Nov 16 14:30:09 -0800 2010:
 > On 17 November 2010 03:40, David J. Hamilton <groups at hjdivad.com> wrote:
 > > You might want to retry with all of the messages open. ?The search feature seems
 > > to really only search the buffer, and not the ?collapsed? text (e.g. message
 > > body text in a closed message). ?The same applies to hitting ?n? to advance to
 > > the next search result.
 > 
 > Yes, tried that.
 > 
 > Like I said, 'n' hides all the existing search results.
 
 In that case, my local copy of sup (v0.11 on ruby 1.8.7) is just behaving
 differently from yours for some reason.  If I search for text using ?/?,
 subsequently hitting ?n? moves to the next instance.  However, if I hit
 something like ?j? or ?k? then the search is unhighlighted and ?n? switches back
 to its ?Jump to next open message? function.
 
 The only other thing I can think of is that when I run a search in a buffer that has
 no results, ?n? never changes from its ?Jump to next open message? function.
 
 
 In any case, if somebody more knowledgeable than me gets to your question,
 hopefully they can shed some light on how one can do a search (in a thread
 buffer) of an entire thread's content, and not merely the content of the open
 messages.
 
 -- 
 med v?nlig h?lsning
 David J. Hamilton
 
 From shadowfirebird@gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 07:34:42 2010
 From: shadowfirebird@gmail.com (Shadowfirebird)
 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:34:42 +0000
 Subject: [sup-talk] Sup not sending mail body!
 Message-ID: <1290083492-sup-3720@blake>
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I've got a problem where I'm finding that Sup has sent my mail without the actual mail body.  
 
 Unfortunately it's intermittent.  You can see the results here: https://groups.google.com/group/ruby-talk-google/browse_thread/thread/3e8a776b0e5c063c?hl=en 
 
 Anyone got any ideas?
 
 (Ubuntu 9.04; Sup 0.11.)
 
 -- 
 "Most people would like to be delivered from
  temptation but would like it to keep in touch."
 		-- Robert Orben
 
 From shadowfirebird@gmail.com  Fri Nov 19 04:57:51 2010
 From: shadowfirebird@gmail.com (Shadowfirebird)
 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:57:51 +0000
 Subject: [sup-talk] Sup not sending mail body!
 In-Reply-To: <1290083492-sup-3720@blake>
 References: <1290083492-sup-3720@blake>
 Message-ID: <AANLkTimyQBMeq_JiH0UpPFpEsAebpvF8YDuoOJAuNsq2@mail.gmail.com>
 
 (Replying to myself.)
 
 It appears my mail message made it to my gmail account (which I am using for
 SMTP send), but not to the ruby-talk mailing list.   Could there be
 something about the way sup does headers that is confusing ruby-talk?
 
 I'm going to cross-post this to ruby-talk, too.
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 From vallentin@icsi.berkeley.edu  Sat Nov 20 14:04:54 2010
 From: vallentin@icsi.berkeley.edu (Matthias Vallentin)
 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:04:54 -0800
 Subject: [sup-talk] (no subject)
 In-Reply-To: <1289808190-sup-7457@colargol.tihlde.org>
 References: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 	<1289785328-sup-6895@ezyang>
 	<20101115065737.GT34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 	<1289808190-sup-7457@colargol.tihlde.org>
 Message-ID: <20101120190454.GR34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 
 > "L" and then enter (don't search for anything) gives you a list of lables,
 > including the unread count (although it does not order it by # unread). Is that
 > what you're after?
 
 Yes, that is what I am looking for. How easy is it to script/export this
 view? Say I have an external application that simply displays unread
 counts per label. Ideally, each time the view (i.e., unread count of
 all labels) changes, some trigger fires and reports the new data.
 
    Matthias
 
 From tero@tilus.net  Sat Nov 20 20:10:44 2010
 From: tero@tilus.net (Tero Tilus)
 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 03:10:44 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] (no subject)
 In-Reply-To: <20101120190454.GR34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 References: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 	<1289785328-sup-6895@ezyang>
 	<20101115065737.GT34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 	<1289808190-sup-7457@colargol.tihlde.org>
 	<20101120190454.GR34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 Message-ID: <1290301315-sup-1796@tilus.net>
 
 Matthias Vallentin, 2010-11-20 21:04:
 > Ideally, each time the view (i.e., unread count of all labels)
 > changes, some trigger fires and reports the new data.
 
 Sup has quite a few hooks waiting for your Ruby code.  See `sup
 --list-hooks`.  In this case you might want to take a closer look at
 after-poll and before-add-message.
 
 --
 Tero Tilus ## 050 3635 235 ## http://tero.tilus.net/
 
 From vallentin@icsi.berkeley.edu  Sat Nov 20 20:51:46 2010
 From: vallentin@icsi.berkeley.edu (Matthias Vallentin)
 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:51:46 -0800
 Subject: [sup-talk] (no subject)
 In-Reply-To: <1290301315-sup-1796@tilus.net>
 References: <20101115004931.GD34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 	<1289785328-sup-6895@ezyang>
 	<20101115065737.GT34938@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 	<1289808190-sup-7457@colargol.tihlde.org>
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 Message-ID: <20101121015146.GC29873@icsi.berkeley.edu>
 
 > Sup has quite a few hooks waiting for your Ruby code.  See `sup
 > --list-hooks`.  In this case you might want to take a closer look at
 > after-poll and before-add-message.
 
 Excellent, I am looking forward to delving deeper into Sup.
 
 Thanks for the detailed information,
 
    Matthias
 
 From brian@microcomaustralia.com.au  Sun Nov 21 21:17:10 2010
 From: brian@microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:17:10 +1100
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup not finding old messages
 Message-ID: <AANLkTi=2Zs-r=WiORde01vXQdb2ZXrpau5Qs4fh0HXK6@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hello,
 
 On my system sup doesn't seem to be finding emails prior to Jan 2010
 any more. Emails that I know are there.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Thanks
 -- 
 Brian May <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>
 
 From mariano.mara@gmail.com  Tue Nov 23 08:23:38 2010
 From: mariano.mara@gmail.com (Mariano Mara)
 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:23:38 -0300
 Subject: [sup-talk] Warning with mainline version
 Message-ID: <1290518444-sup-4196@kafka>
 
 Hi. I downloaded git mainline version after using 0.11 for a long time. 
 I'm getting the following warning every time the before poll hook is
 executed:
 .sup/hooks/before-poll.rb:2: warning: method redefined; discarding old
 offlineimap_run
 
 This is waht I have in before-poll.rb:
 # http://sup.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Hooks
 def offlineimap_run()
   cmd = "offlineimap -o -l ~/.offlineimap.log"
   `#{cmd} 2>&1`
 end
 
 if (@last_fetch || Time.at(0)) < Time.now - 120 
   say "Running offlineimap..."
   log offlineimap_run()
   say "Finished offlineimap."
 end
 @last_fetch = Time.now
 
 I'm really bad with ruby, can somebody help me to get rid of this
 warning?
 
 TIA,
 Mariano
 
 From neeb@kpvn.de  Wed Nov 24 12:54:29 2010
 From: neeb@kpvn.de (Moritz Neeb)
 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 18:54:29 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] ncursesw encoding
 Message-ID: <4CED5155.3080502@kpvn.de>
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 
 William Morgan wrote:
 [sup-talk] System encoding versus messages encoding
 Tue Apr 22 19:18:00 EDT 2008
 > The good news is that I've just made it slightly simpler, at least if
 > you're running from git. I've published an "ncursesw" branch that
 > contains a hacked ncurses-0.9.1 and a dirty script to install it into
 > your ../lib/ directory. If you use that AND you run from git next,
 > you'll see wide characters. It works!
 > 
 > So, just a "few" "simple" commands:
 > $ git branch --track ncursesw origin/ncursesw
 > $ git checkout ncursesw
 > $ cd ncurses-0.9.1/
 > $ ./run-this-for-sup.sh 
 > $ cd ..
 > $ git checkout next
 > $ ruby -Ilib bin/sup
 > 
 > ... and you should see wide characters, assuming your terminal is
 > capable. If make dies, you probably need to install some kind of
 > ncursesw development library. On my Debian system it's
 > a package called libncursesw5-dev.
 
 
 Is the suggested approach up to date? I am not really into git stuff, 
 but I think the "next" repository is not in a state, that the commands 
 below have the same effect than they had two years ago. Can you help me, 
 to get this working? Is there another approach to get the 
 message-encoding correctly displayed?
 
 --
 Moritz Neeb
 
 From tero@tilus.net  Wed Nov 24 14:09:44 2010
 From: tero@tilus.net (Tero Tilus)
 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 21:09:44 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] ncursesw encoding
 In-Reply-To: <4CED5155.3080502@kpvn.de>
 References: <4CED5155.3080502@kpvn.de>
 Message-ID: <1290625650-sup-8253@tilus.net>
 
 Moritz Neeb, 2010-11-24 19:54:
 > Is there another approach to get the 
 > message-encoding correctly displayed?
 
 Did you try installing ncursesw gem?
 
 --
 Tero Tilus ## 050 3635 235 ## http://tero.tilus.net/
 
 From neeb@kpvn.de  Thu Nov 25 06:51:27 2010
 From: neeb@kpvn.de (Moritz Neeb)
 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:51:27 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] ncursesw encoding
 In-Reply-To: <1290625650-sup-8253@tilus.net>
 References: <4CED5155.3080502@kpvn.de> <1290625650-sup-8253@tilus.net>
 Message-ID: <4CEE4DBF.7030600@kpvn.de>
 
 
 
 Tero Tilus wrote:
 > Moritz Neeb, 2010-11-24 19:54:
 >> Is there another approach to get the 
 >> message-encoding correctly displayed?
 > 
 > Did you try installing ncursesw gem?
 
 Yes, I installed it via 'gem install ncursesw', but it is not detected 
 by sup: "No 'ncursesw' gem detected ..."
 
 btw: I installed sup as a debian package, not as gem. Could this be a 
 problem?
 
 --
 Moritz Neeb
 
 From tero@tilus.net  Thu Nov 25 08:50:21 2010
 From: tero@tilus.net (Tero Tilus)
 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:50:21 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] ncursesw encoding
 In-Reply-To: <4CEE4DBF.7030600@kpvn.de>
 References: <4CED5155.3080502@kpvn.de> <1290625650-sup-8253@tilus.net>
 	<4CEE4DBF.7030600@kpvn.de>
 Message-ID: <1290692520-sup-6531@tilus.net>
 
 Moritz Neeb, 2010-11-25 13:51:
 > I installed sup as a debian package, not as gem. Could this be a 
 > problem?
 
 I don't know.  Though I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be.
 Rubygems and Dpkg provide essentially the same service (package and
 dependency management) and are (afaik) not aware of each other.  As a
 result they do not play together at all.  Usually there are no
 collisions but ymmv.
 
 On Debian derivatives my route of least gray hair has been to install
 Rubygems from sources using defaults and as much of the Ruby stuff
 from gems as possible.
 
 --
 Tero Tilus ## 050 3635 235 ## http://tero.tilus.net/
 
 From rthrd@web.de  Sat Nov 27 12:05:45 2010
 From: rthrd@web.de (Ruthard Baudach)
 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 18:05:45 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup crashes on sending emails
 Message-ID: <op.vmt9rvsvdfrxor@ruthard-mini>
 
 I've installed sup 0.11 using rubygem and ruby 1.8.
 
 sup crashes whenever I send an email, exception.log shows:
 
 
 --- TypeError from thread: main
 can't convert nil into String
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/mbox/loader.rb:117:in  
 `exists?'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/mbox/loader.rb:117:in  
 `store_message'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/util.rb:610:in `send'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/util.rb:610:in `__pass'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/util.rb:597:in  
 `method_missing'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/sent.rb:28:in  
 `write_sent_message'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/util.rb:570:in `send'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/util.rb:570:in  
 `method_missing'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/modes/edit-message-mode.rb:346:in  
 `send_message'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/modes/resume-mode.rb:37:in  
 `send_message'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/modes/thread-view-mode.rb:428:in  
 `send_draft'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/mode.rb:59:in `send'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/mode.rb:59:in `handle_input'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/buffer.rb:279:in  
 `handle_input'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/bin/sup:279
 /usr/bin/sup-mail:19:in `load'
 /usr/bin/sup-mail:19
 
 
 I've found this on http://masanjin.net/sup-bugs/ marked as "solved", but  
 could not find any hints how to solve this problem.
 
 Ruthard
 
 
 
 -- 
 Erstellt mit Operas revolution?rem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/
 
 From lurkos.usenet@gmail.com  Sat Nov 27 13:17:46 2010
 From: lurkos.usenet@gmail.com (Lurkos)
 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:17:46 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] IMAP, labels, editors
 Message-ID: <AANLkTikQbNR_uTW8Gt8VExq9Bt2YwB=u3k4edcvL8wb_@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hello all!
 
 It's quite a long time ago since I started to look for an e-mail
 client with features like Gmail, and it seems that *sup* fulfill these
 requirements.
 First of all I would like to great all the contributors for their work.
 However I have a couple of questions to better understand how *sup* works.
 
 I've read in the latest History file that IMAP support is deprecated.
 Are you going to drop it? I mainly use IMAP to read my e-mail boxes,
 because I need to deal with them from different workstations (say:
 home, office, laptop, etc.).
 For this reason the local Maildir approach won't work for me.
 
 Are the labels stored in a local database or also stored as flags via IMAP?
 Of course the second choice would be much more beneficial for people
 using e-mail from different locations.
 What happens if a new message is added to the mail spool from another
 source? Does *sup-sync* preserve labels already associated?
 
 Is it possible to _delete_ a message via IMAP (say: mark as \Deleted
 and then Expunge, using IMAP terminology)? According to your FAQ, it
 seems that only mbox spools support a real delete process.
 
 About message composition, do you have any recommended editor, given
 the fact that I never used a lot Vi nor Emacs?
 
 Thank for your help!
 
 -- 
 Lurkos
 
 From adam@alloy-d.net  Sat Nov 27 14:02:51 2010
 From: adam@alloy-d.net (Adam Lloyd)
 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:02:51 -0500
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup crashes on sending emails
 In-Reply-To: <op.vmt9rvsvdfrxor@ruthard-mini>
 References: <op.vmt9rvsvdfrxor@ruthard-mini>
 Message-ID: <1290883976-sup-4600@nagato.alloy-d.net>
 
 Excerpts from Ruthard Baudach's message of 2010-11-27 12:05:45 -0500:
 > I've installed sup 0.11 using rubygem and ruby 1.8.
 > 
 > sup crashes whenever I send an email, exception.log shows:
 > 
 > 
 > --- TypeError from thread: main
 > can't convert nil into String
 > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/mbox/loader.rb:117:in  
 > `exists?'
 > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/mbox/loader.rb:117:in  
 > `store_message'
 
 *snip*
 
 > I've found this on http://masanjin.net/sup-bugs/ marked as "solved", but  
 > could not find any hints how to solve this problem.
 
 The problem is that store_message tries to access @filename, which was
 presumably removed at some point in favor of @path.
 
 Just replacing @filename with @path in lines 117 and 118 of the file
 mentioned in the trace will fix it.  It is also fixed in git.
 
 -Adam
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 From damien.leone@fensalir.fr  Sat Nov 27 15:26:43 2010
 From: damien.leone@fensalir.fr (Damien Leone)
 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 21:26:43 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] IMAP, labels, editors
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikQbNR_uTW8Gt8VExq9Bt2YwB=u3k4edcvL8wb_@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTikQbNR_uTW8Gt8VExq9Bt2YwB=u3k4edcvL8wb_@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1290889043-sup-6470@mailer>
 
 Hi,
 
 Excerpts from Lurkos's message of sam. nov. 27 19:17:46 +0100 2010:
 > I've read in the latest History file that IMAP support is deprecated.
 > Are you going to drop it? I mainly use IMAP to read my e-mail boxes,
 > because I need to deal with them from different workstations (say:
 > home, office, laptop, etc.).
 > For this reason the local Maildir approach won't work for me.
 
 You can use offlineimap to fetch e-mails from your IMAP server and
 save them as Maildir that are then added in sup. By setting your hooks
 properly you can automatically call offlineimap before polling (see
 the wiki).
 
 > Are the labels stored in a local database or also stored as flags via IMAP?
 > Of course the second choice would be much more beneficial for people
 > using e-mail from different locations.
 > What happens if a new message is added to the mail spool from another
 > source? Does *sup-sync* preserve labels already associated?
 
 Everything is stored locally, sup does not modify the Maildir sources
 but there is a maildir-sync branch that allows you to keep
 synchronized in both directions between your IMAP server and your sup
 database. This is still under development though.
 
 > Is it possible to _delete_ a message via IMAP (say: mark as \Deleted
 > and then Expunge, using IMAP terminology)? According to your FAQ, it
 > seems that only mbox spools support a real delete process.
 
 Same as above.
 
 > About message composition, do you have any recommended editor, given
 > the fact that I never used a lot Vi nor Emacs?
 
 I use emacs with post-mode.
 
 Cheers,
 
 -- 
 Damien Leone <damien.leone at fensalir.fr>
 
 Web: http://dleone.fensalir.fr/
 GPG: 0x82EB4DDF
 
 From moritz+sup@wzff.de  Sat Nov 27 15:57:27 2010
 From: moritz+sup@wzff.de (Moritz Wilhelmy)
 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 21:57:27 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] IMAP, labels, editors
 In-Reply-To: <1290889043-sup-6470@mailer>
 References: <AANLkTikQbNR_uTW8Gt8VExq9Bt2YwB=u3k4edcvL8wb_@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1290889043-sup-6470@mailer> Hi, 
 Message-ID: <1290890855-sup-3282@niflheimr>
 
 Excerpts from Damien Leone's message of Sat Nov 27 21:26:43 +0100 2010:
 > > I've read in the latest History file that IMAP support is deprecated.
 > > Are you going to drop it? I mainly use IMAP to read my e-mail boxes,
 > > because I need to deal with them from different workstations (say:
 > > home, office, laptop, etc.).
 > > For this reason the local Maildir approach won't work for me.
 > 
 > You can use offlineimap to fetch e-mails from your IMAP server and
 > save them as Maildir that are then added in sup. By setting your hooks
 > properly you can automatically call offlineimap before polling (see
 > the wiki).
 
 Alternatives to offlineimap to store mail in mbox/maildir include getmail
 (which is what I use) and fetchmail.
 
 > > About message composition, do you have any recommended editor, given
 > > the fact that I never used a lot Vi nor Emacs?
 > 
 > I use emacs with post-mode.
 
 sup's keybindings are modeled largely after mutt's, and not really modeled
 after neither vim nor emacs, so you don't have any benefits in learning
 how to use sup if you already know how to use vim/emacs (or vice versa).
 sup has a setting where you can change your preferred editor. As far as I
 remember, the tool that initially writes the configuration (`sup-config')
 defaults to vim.
 Personally, I use vim with mail-syntax-hilighting.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Moritz
 
 From lurkos.usenet@gmail.com  Sat Nov 27 18:34:55 2010
 From: lurkos.usenet@gmail.com (Lurkos)
 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:34:55 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] IMAP, labels, editors
 In-Reply-To: <1290890855-sup-3282@niflheimr>
 References: <AANLkTikQbNR_uTW8Gt8VExq9Bt2YwB=u3k4edcvL8wb_@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1290889043-sup-6470@mailer> <1290890855-sup-3282@niflheimr>
 Message-ID: <AANLkTinMxU2J=t4LP=Tp-d-BeXVaQ1kNc2yGXOzgorpx@mail.gmail.com>
 
 On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Moritz Wilhelmy <moritz+sup at wzff.de> wrote:
 >>> I've read in the latest History file that IMAP support is deprecated.
 >>> Are you going to drop it? I mainly use IMAP to read my e-mail boxes,
 >>> because I need to deal with them from different workstations (say:
 >>> home, office, laptop, etc.).
 >>> For this reason the local Maildir approach won't work for me.
 >>
 >> You can use offlineimap to fetch e-mails from your IMAP server and
 >> save them as Maildir that are then added in sup. By setting your hooks
 >> properly you can automatically call offlineimap before polling (see
 >> the wiki).
 >
 > Alternatives to offlineimap to store mail in mbox/maildir include getmail
 > (which is what I use) and fetchmail.
 
 The main drawback of this approach is that you have to copy all your
 mailbox in every location.
 This mean several GiB for me.
 That's why I would prefer to keep everything on the IMAP server (and
 periodically backup it in a single computer).
 
 >>> About message composition, do you have any recommended editor, given
 >>> the fact that I never used a lot Vi nor Emacs?
 >>
 >> I use emacs with post-mode.
 >
 > sup's keybindings are modeled largely after mutt's, and not really modeled
 > after neither vim nor emacs, so you don't have any benefits in learning
 > how to use sup if you already know how to use vim/emacs (or vice versa).
 > sup has a setting where you can change your preferred editor. As far as I
 > remember, the tool that initially writes the configuration (`sup-config')
 > defaults to vim.
 > Personally, I use vim with mail-syntax-hilighting.
 
 That's true: *sup* initially selects vim as default mail editor.
 I never had before special requirements for text editor and therefore
 gedit was enough.
 Do you think is worth spending time to learn a text-based editor even
 for writing e-mails?
 
 Cheers,
 
 -- 
 Lurkos
 
 From lurkos.usenet@gmail.com  Sat Nov 27 20:27:14 2010
 From: lurkos.usenet@gmail.com (Lurkos)
 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 02:27:14 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] IMAP, labels, editors
 In-Reply-To: <1290889043-sup-6470@mailer>
 References: <AANLkTikQbNR_uTW8Gt8VExq9Bt2YwB=u3k4edcvL8wb_@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1290889043-sup-6470@mailer>
 Message-ID: <AANLkTin8ai-RZvURxAQmJ-98esNFOMwR0mWvm5ftsHP6@mail.gmail.com>
 
 On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Damien Leone <damien.leone at fensalir.fr> wrote:
 >> I've read in the latest History file that IMAP support is deprecated.
 >> Are you going to drop it? I mainly use IMAP to read my e-mail boxes,
 >> because I need to deal with them from different workstations (say:
 >> home, office, laptop, etc.).
 >> For this reason the local Maildir approach won't work for me.
 >
 > You can use offlineimap to fetch e-mails from your IMAP server and
 > save them as Maildir that are then added in sup. By setting your hooks
 > properly you can automatically call offlineimap before polling (see
 > the wiki).
 >
 >> Are the labels stored in a local database or also stored as flags via IMAP?
 >> Of course the second choice would be much more beneficial for people
 >> using e-mail from different locations.
 >> What happens if a new message is added to the mail spool from another
 >> source? Does *sup-sync* preserve labels already associated?
 >
 > Everything is stored locally, sup does not modify the Maildir sources
 > but there is a maildir-sync branch that allows you to keep
 > synchronized in both directions between your IMAP server and your sup
 > database. This is still under development though.
 
 This seems really interesting... and possibly a indication that the
 IMAP support would not be dropped.
 
 Thanks for your answers.
 
 Cheers,
 
 -- 
 Lurkos
 
 From damien.leone@fensalir.fr  Sun Nov 28 04:21:12 2010
 From: damien.leone@fensalir.fr (Damien Leone)
 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 10:21:12 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] IMAP, labels, editors
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin8ai-RZvURxAQmJ-98esNFOMwR0mWvm5ftsHP6@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTikQbNR_uTW8Gt8VExq9Bt2YwB=u3k4edcvL8wb_@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1290889043-sup-6470@mailer>
 	<AANLkTin8ai-RZvURxAQmJ-98esNFOMwR0mWvm5ftsHP6@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1290935803-sup-8547@mailer>
 
 Excerpts from Lurkos's message of dim. nov. 28 02:27:14 +0100 2010:
 > This seems really interesting... and possibly a indication that the
 > IMAP support would not be dropped.
 
 What I meant exactly is that with this branch sup modifies your
 Maildir sources, and by using offlineimap you can reflect them to the
 remote IMAP server. AFAIK sup will not reintegrate IMAP support, I
 think the main reason is because of the poor and slow IMAP support in
 the ruby libraries.
 
 Indeed you have to download all your e-mails but since I use sup only
 on one machine this is not very annoying plus it allows me to backup
 my e-mails and access them *offline*.
 
 -- 
 Damien Leone <damien.leone at fensalir.fr>
 
 Web: http://dleone.fensalir.fr/
 GPG: 0x82EB4DDF
 
 From lurkos.usenet@gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 09:05:32 2010
 From: lurkos.usenet@gmail.com (Lurkos)
 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 15:05:32 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] IMAP, labels, editors
 In-Reply-To: <1290935803-sup-8547@mailer>
 References: <AANLkTikQbNR_uTW8Gt8VExq9Bt2YwB=u3k4edcvL8wb_@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1290889043-sup-6470@mailer>
 	<AANLkTin8ai-RZvURxAQmJ-98esNFOMwR0mWvm5ftsHP6@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1290935803-sup-8547@mailer>
 Message-ID: <AANLkTin9ocMjDFfH=p30=_sm1DBOVM2RJw=mDCRGm5iR@mail.gmail.com>
 
 On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Damien Leone <damien.leone at fensalir.fr> wrote:
 >> This seems really interesting... and possibly a indication that the
 >> IMAP support would not be dropped.
 >
 > What I meant exactly is that with this branch sup modifies your
 > Maildir sources, and by using offlineimap you can reflect them to the
 > remote IMAP server.
 
 Thanks for explaining.
 Yesterday I spent a couple of hours to search for more details about
 *sup*, *notmuch* and *offlineimap*.
 What I still have not completely understood is how *sup* is going to
 store label information inside Maildir sources.
 According to this message
 (http://lists.madduck.net/pipermail/mailtags/2007-August/msg00016.html),
 IMAP tags would not be perfect (even if probably the best solution in
 my opinion).
 Another problem is that is not completely clear if *offlineimap* would
 sync also these "special" tags.
 
 > AFAIK sup will not reintegrate IMAP support, I
 > think the main reason is because of the poor and slow IMAP support in
 > the ruby libraries.
 
 If ruby libraries don't support some feature that you need, it would
 be reasonable to drop IMAP support.
 However if the only problem is the speed, I would keep it, at least for now.
 
 > Indeed you have to download all your e-mails but since I use sup only
 > on one machine this is not very annoying plus it allows me to backup
 > my e-mails and access them *offline*.
 
 Therefore the only possible solution seems to have a personal server
 running 24/7 and using *sup* via *ssh*.
 
 Cheers,
 
 -- 
 Lurkos
 
 From damien.leone@fensalir.fr  Sun Nov 28 09:50:15 2010
 From: damien.leone@fensalir.fr (Damien Leone)
 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 15:50:15 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] IMAP, labels, editors
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin9ocMjDFfH=p30=_sm1DBOVM2RJw=mDCRGm5iR@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTikQbNR_uTW8Gt8VExq9Bt2YwB=u3k4edcvL8wb_@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1290889043-sup-6470@mailer>
 	<AANLkTin8ai-RZvURxAQmJ-98esNFOMwR0mWvm5ftsHP6@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1290935803-sup-8547@mailer>
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 Message-ID: <1290955366-sup-9628@mailer>
 
 Excerpts from Lurkos's message of dim. nov. 28 15:05:32 +0100 2010:
 > Thanks for explaining.
 > Yesterday I spent a couple of hours to search for more details about
 > *sup*, *notmuch* and *offlineimap*.
 > What I still have not completely understood is how *sup* is going to
 > store label information inside Maildir sources.
 > According to this message
 > (http://lists.madduck.net/pipermail/mailtags/2007-August/msg00016.html),
 > IMAP tags would not be perfect (even if probably the best solution in
 > my opinion).
 > Another problem is that is not completely clear if *offlineimap* would
 > sync also these "special" tags.
 
 Currently everything is stored in the xapian database that stays local
 to sup. On the maildir-sync branch, only the following flags are
 exported [0].
 
 That means that you have two sets of labels, the ones on the IMAP
 server and the others in sup. Usually offlineimap will create a
 Maildir source per IMAP label (at least with gmail) so it is easy to
 add them separately in sup and auto-apply rules for each (such as
 apply a label, archive messages from this source, etc.) so it is not
 too painful.
 
 > Therefore the only possible solution seems to have a personal server
 > running 24/7 and using *sup* via *ssh*.
 
 Yep, that's my case.
 
 [0] : http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html
 
 -- 
 Damien Leone <damien.leone at fensalir.fr>
 
 Web: http://dleone.fensalir.fr/
 GPG: 0x82EB4DDF
 
 From lurkos.usenet@gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 13:59:28 2010
 From: lurkos.usenet@gmail.com (Lurkos)
 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 18:59:28 +0000 (UTC)
 Subject: [sup-talk] IMAP, labels, editors
 References: <AANLkTikQbNR_uTW8Gt8VExq9Bt2YwB=u3k4edcvL8wb_@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1290889043-sup-6470@mailer>
 	<AANLkTin8ai-RZvURxAQmJ-98esNFOMwR0mWvm5ftsHP6@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1290935803-sup-8547@mailer>
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 	<1290955366-sup-9628@mailer>
 Message-ID: <63f0d2ea234ebf04fe1fb894d9ad2dee.XPN@L622243018051.user.x-privat.org>
 
 *Damien Leone* wrote:
 
 >> Thanks for explaining.
 >> Yesterday I spent a couple of hours to search for more details about
 >> *sup*, *notmuch* and *offlineimap*.
 >> What I still have not completely understood is how *sup* is going to
 >> store label information inside Maildir sources.
 >> According to this message
 >> (http://lists.madduck.net/pipermail/mailtags/2007-August/msg00016.html),
 >> IMAP tags would not be perfect (even if probably the best solution in
 >> my opinion).
 >> Another problem is that is not completely clear if *offlineimap* would
 >> sync also these "special" tags.
 >
 > Currently everything is stored in the xapian database that stays local
 > to sup. On the maildir-sync branch, only the following flags are
 > exported [0].
 
 | Flag "F" (flagged): user-defined flag; toggled at user discretion.
 I have not completely understood what can be stored inside this special
 user-defined flag.
 
 Here (http://wiki.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir#IMAP_keywords) I
 found a non-standard way to implement some flags, but I don't how if
 offlineimap would support it.
 
 > That means that you have two sets of labels, the ones on the IMAP
 > server and the others in sup. Usually offlineimap will create a
 > Maildir source per IMAP label (at least with gmail) so it is easy to
 > add them separately in sup and auto-apply rules for each (such as
 > apply a label, archive messages from this source, etc.) so it is not
 > too painful.
 >
 >> Therefore the only possible solution seems to have a personal server
 >> running 24/7 and using *sup* via *ssh*.
 >
 > Yep, that's my case.
 
 Unfornately it doesn't apply to me, also because I have a standard ADSL
 home connection.
 
 > [0] : http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html
 
 -- 
 Lurkos
 
 
 
 From damien.leone@fensalir.fr  Mon Nov 29 15:08:33 2010
 From: damien.leone@fensalir.fr (Damien Leone)
 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:08:33 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] IMAP, labels, editors
 In-Reply-To: <63f0d2ea234ebf04fe1fb894d9ad2dee.XPN@L622243018051.user.x-privat.org>
 References: <AANLkTikQbNR_uTW8Gt8VExq9Bt2YwB=u3k4edcvL8wb_@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1290889043-sup-6470@mailer>
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 Message-ID: <1291061030-sup-7886@mailer>
 
 Hi,
 
 Excerpts from Lurkos's message of lun. nov. 29 19:59:28 +0100 2010:
 > I have not completely understood what can be stored inside this special
 > user-defined flag.
 
 I have always seen this one used as the "starred" / "favourite" flag.
 
 > Unfornately it doesn't apply to me, also because I have a standard ADSL
 > home connection.
 
 Same for me but since I'm the only user on the machine and that's
 perfectly fine. ^^ Just a matter of taste. I use a pogo-plug running
 Debian, very low energy consumption (ARM CPU) and enough performances
 for my tasks (reading mails, ssh, accessing my stuff, etc.).
 
 Cheers,
 
 -- 
 Damien Leone <damien.leone at fensalir.fr>
 
 Web: http://dleone.fensalir.fr/
 GPG: 0x82EB4DDF
 
 From lurkos.usenet@gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 21:36:24 2010
 From: lurkos.usenet@gmail.com (Lurkos)
 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 02:36:24 +0000 (UTC)
 Subject: [sup-talk] IMAP, labels, editors
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 *Damien Leone* wrote:
 
 >> I have not completely understood what can be stored inside this special
 >> user-defined flag.
 >
 > I have always seen this one used as the "starred" / "favourite" flag.
 
 OK.
 
 >> Unfornately it doesn't apply to me, also because I have a standard ADSL
 >> home connection.
 >
 > Same for me but since I'm the only user on the machine and that's
 > perfectly fine. ^^ Just a matter of taste. I use a pogo-plug running
 > Debian, very low energy consumption (ARM CPU) and enough performances
 > for my tasks (reading mails, ssh, accessing my stuff, etc.).
 
 Like SheevaPlug? Seems really interesting!
 
 -- 
 Lurkos