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 From jof@thejof.com  Fri Apr 12 18:09:33 2013
 From: jof@thejof.com (Jonathan Lassoff)
 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:09:33 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 Message-ID: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 
 I kept hitting this bug that was driving me nuts.
 
 While editing a message, I'd go to add a recipient that I don't usually email.
 
 So, I'd leave my draft in a buffer, find a mail from them, and go to
 update their contact, only to get hit with an undefined method error.
 This seems to get triggered if you ever set a new alias for a contact
 that already exists in the contacts list.
 
 I made a fix on my branch on gitorious.
 https://gitorious.org/~jofathan/sup/jofathan-sup/commit/7754799bc186833371c7839142270fe65b942ee6
 
 
 Is anyone still monitoring the sup/mainline repo on gitorious?
 William Morgan? Are you still active with sup? Does sup need a new maintainer?
 
 I still use sup every day for my work email, and its my favorite client ever.
 Maybe it would be useful to have a sup hackers meetup in San Francisco?
 
 
 The crash was like:
 [Fri Apr 12 10:04:55 -0700 2013] ERROR: oh crap, an exception
 ----------------------------------------------------------------
 I'm very sorry. It seems that an error occurred in Sup. Please
 accept my sincere apologies. Please submit the contents of
 /home/jof/.sup/exception-log.txt and a brief report of the
 circumstances to http://masanjin.net/sup-bugs/ so that I might
 address this problem. Thank you!
 
 Sincerely,
 William
 ----------------------------------------------------------------
 --- NoMethodError from thread: main
 undefined method `email' for "THE_PERSONS_ALIAS_NAME":String
 /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/contact.rb:33:in `update_alias'
 (eval):1:in `send'
 (eval):1:in `update_alias'
 /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/modes/contact-list-mode.rb:13:in `alias_contact'
 /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/modes/thread-view-mode.rb:259:in `alias'
 /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/mode.rb:59:in `send'
 /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/mode.rb:59:in `handle_input'
 /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/buffer.rb:278:in `handle_input'
 /usr/bin/sup-mail:273
 
 From sdothum@gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 18:46:59 2013
 From: sdothum@gmail.com (Steven Hum)
 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:46:59 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 In-Reply-To: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1365791858-sup-2898@luna>
 
 
 There was some activity not long ago by some sup users who are trying to 
 keep sup afloat -- by attempting to rebuild a sup wiki (the original one 
 had degraded horribly w/o a moderator) and look at current state of sup 
 (and its forks?). 
 
 Unfortunately, I don't have those mailing list messages in my archives 
 anymore -- I don't hang onto list mail long. But you should be able to 
 comb the list mail to identify a few people who are trying to spear head 
 this.
 
 I need to investigate this too.. as I currently use ezyang's fork for 
 imap maildir handling and would be interested if all the good things 
 people have added to sup can be rolled back into an official sup master.
 
 Regards,
 Steven
 
 
 Excerpts from Jonathan Lassoff's message of 2013-04-12 14:09:33 -0400:
 > I kept hitting this bug that was driving me nuts.
 > 
 > While editing a message, I'd go to add a recipient that I don't usually email.
 > 
 > So, I'd leave my draft in a buffer, find a mail from them, and go to
 > update their contact, only to get hit with an undefined method error.
 > This seems to get triggered if you ever set a new alias for a contact
 > that already exists in the contacts list.
 > 
 > I made a fix on my branch on gitorious.
 > https://gitorious.org/~jofathan/sup/jofathan-sup/commit/7754799bc186833371c7839142270fe65b942ee6
 > 
 > 
 > Is anyone still monitoring the sup/mainline repo on gitorious?
 > William Morgan? Are you still active with sup? Does sup need a new maintainer?
 > 
 > I still use sup every day for my work email, and its my favorite client ever.
 > Maybe it would be useful to have a sup hackers meetup in San Francisco?
 > 
 > 
 > The crash was like:
 > [Fri Apr 12 10:04:55 -0700 2013] ERROR: oh crap, an exception
 > ----------------------------------------------------------------
 > I'm very sorry. It seems that an error occurred in Sup. Please
 > accept my sincere apologies. Please submit the contents of
 > /home/jof/.sup/exception-log.txt and a brief report of the
 > circumstances to http://masanjin.net/sup-bugs/ so that I might
 > address this problem. Thank you!
 > 
 > Sincerely,
 > William
 > ----------------------------------------------------------------
 > --- NoMethodError from thread: main
 > undefined method `email' for "THE_PERSONS_ALIAS_NAME":String
 > /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/contact.rb:33:in `update_alias'
 > (eval):1:in `send'
 > (eval):1:in `update_alias'
 > /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/modes/contact-list-mode.rb:13:in `alias_contact'
 > /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/modes/thread-view-mode.rb:259:in `alias'
 > /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/mode.rb:59:in `send'
 > /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/mode.rb:59:in `handle_input'
 > /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/sup/buffer.rb:278:in `handle_input'
 > /usr/bin/sup-mail:273
 -- 
 "Truth or die."
 
 Steven Hum  
 5 - 28 Gilmour St  
 Ottawa, ON K2P 0N3  
 email sdothum at gmail.com  
 tel 613.237.9058  
 
 From dmishd@gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 19:46:54 2013
 From: dmishd@gmail.com (Hamish D)
 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:46:54 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 In-Reply-To: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <CAOxvSbfuBUYc7fTS=Ov2gBi6JtCkhmy8YVP3iUXwENnmLdzH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 
 We've set up https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup
 
 Please feel free to put pull requests up there. And contributions to the
 new wiki are also very welcome. We have lots of missing pages ...
 
 https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki
 
 We have emailed William about this but have had no response. So currently
 we have no access to publishing gems under the sup name.
 
 As to a meet up, I'm in England so won't be coming to San Francisco :-P
 
 > I'm very sorry. It seems that an error occurred in Sup. Please
 > accept my sincere apologies. Please submit the contents of
 > /home/jof/.sup/exception-log.txt and a brief report of the
 > circumstances to http://masanjin.net/sup-bugs/ so that I might
 > address this problem. Thank you!
 >
 > Sincerely,
 > William
 
 We should update this text ...
 
 Hamish
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 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sat Apr 13 09:16:53 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:16:53 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 In-Reply-To: <CAOxvSbfuBUYc7fTS=Ov2gBi6JtCkhmy8YVP3iUXwENnmLdzH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 	<CAOxvSbfuBUYc7fTS=Ov2gBi6JtCkhmy8YVP3iUXwENnmLdzH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <51692285.8000709@gaute.vetsj.com>
 
 Hi,
 
 Jonathan: I put your commit into a pull request at:
 - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/19
 
 Also, re-branding and updating to web-references:
 - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/20
 
 any comments on this? You can see the changes I made. I have absolutely
 no intentions of stepping on any toes, but this is a suggestion.
 
 It is a pity that the official home page and probably first search
 results direct to the abandoned home and gem of sup.
 
 Regards, Gaute
 
 On 12. april 2013 21:46, Hamish D wrote:
 > We've set up https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup
 > 
 > Please feel free to put pull requests up there. And contributions to the
 > new wiki are also very welcome. We have lots of missing pages ...
 > 
 > https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki
 > 
 > We have emailed William about this but have had no response. So currently
 > we have no access to publishing gems under the sup name.
 > 
 > As to a meet up, I'm in England so won't be coming to San Francisco :-P
 > 
 >> I'm very sorry. It seems that an error occurred in Sup. Please
 >> accept my sincere apologies. Please submit the contents of
 >> /home/jof/.sup/exception-log.txt and a brief report of the
 >> circumstances to http://masanjin.net/sup-bugs/ so that I might
 >> address this problem. Thank you!
 >>
 >> Sincerely,
 >> William
 > 
 > We should update this text ...
 > 
 > Hamish
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > _______________________________________________
 > sup-talk mailing list
 > sup-talk at rubyforge.org
 > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/sup-talk
 > 
 
 From jof@thejof.com  Sat Apr 13 10:09:55 2013
 From: jof@thejof.com (Jonathan Lassoff)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 03:09:55 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 In-Reply-To: <51692285.8000709@gaute.vetsj.com>
 References: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 	<CAOxvSbfuBUYc7fTS=Ov2gBi6JtCkhmy8YVP3iUXwENnmLdzH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 	<51692285.8000709@gaute.vetsj.com>
 Message-ID: <CAHsqw9ue9AqTO4OxVDUzb-3u7GShxZRmjPDNzwJQVtsZi_3icw@mail.gmail.com>
 
 On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > Jonathan: I put your commit into a pull request at:
 > - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/19
 >
 > Also, re-branding and updating to web-references:
 > - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/20
 >
 > any comments on this? You can see the changes I made. I have absolutely
 > no intentions of stepping on any toes, but this is a suggestion.
 
 No, thank you very much! That looks great!
 
 > It is a pity that the official home page and probably first search
 > results direct to the abandoned home and gem of sup.
 
 It is too bad. Hopefully William could hand off access or at least
 push updates somehow.
 
 If not, maybe we could stand up another domain pointing to github pages?
 Looks like supmua.org and supm.ua are available. :p
 
 --j
 
 From jof@thejof.com  Sat Apr 13 10:06:21 2013
 From: jof@thejof.com (Jonathan Lassoff)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 03:06:21 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 In-Reply-To: <CAOxvSbfuBUYc7fTS=Ov2gBi6JtCkhmy8YVP3iUXwENnmLdzH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 	<CAOxvSbfuBUYc7fTS=Ov2gBi6JtCkhmy8YVP3iUXwENnmLdzH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <CAHsqw9vwUsq6AmT9FUanxWuDgoAgHTdq-29cMN8hseZwEyN=6g@mail.gmail.com>
 
 On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Hamish D <dmishd at gmail.com> wrote:
 > We've set up https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup
 >
 > Please feel free to put pull requests up there. And contributions to the new
 > wiki are also very welcome. We have lots of missing pages ...
 >
 > https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki
 
 Hey -- that's a most excellent place to put a wiki up. Glad to find
 where the action's at.
 
 > We have emailed William about this but have had no response. So currently we
 > have no access to publishing gems under the sup name.
 >
 > As to a meet up, I'm in England so won't be coming to San Francisco :-P
 
 Oh no worries, I just mention it because I know WIlliam is from
 somewhere around here. I think he's working in SF now.
 
 >> I'm very sorry. It seems that an error occurred in Sup. Please
 >> accept my sincere apologies. Please submit the contents of
 >> /home/jof/.sup/exception-log.txt and a brief report of the
 >> circumstances to http://masanjin.net/sup-bugs/ so that I might
 >> address this problem. Thank you!
 >>
 >> Sincerely,
 >> William
 >
 > We should update this text ...
 >
 > Hamish
 
 From matthieu.rakotojaona@gmail.com  Sat Apr 13 12:49:46 2013
 From: matthieu.rakotojaona@gmail.com (Matthieu Rakotojaona)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:49:46 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 In-Reply-To: <51692285.8000709@gaute.vetsj.com>
 References: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 	<CAOxvSbfuBUYc7fTS=Ov2gBi6JtCkhmy8YVP3iUXwENnmLdzH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 	<51692285.8000709@gaute.vetsj.com>
 Message-ID: <20130413124946.GA22905@kpad.otokar.looc2011.eu>
 
 On 04/13, Gaute Hope wrote:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > Jonathan: I put your commit into a pull request at:
 > - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/19
 > 
 > Also, re-branding and updating to web-references:
 > - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/20
 > 
 > any comments on this? You can see the changes I made. I have absolutely
 > no intentions of stepping on any toes, but this is a suggestion.
 > 
 > It is a pity that the official home page and probably first search
 > results direct to the abandoned home and gem of sup.
 > 
 > Regards, Gaute
 
 I guess it's also the occasion to think about the mailing list. I guess
 no one has the rights on this one ? I don't see anything in github for
 this functionality.
 
 -- 
 Matthieu Rakotojaona
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sat Apr 13 13:17:37 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:17:37 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 In-Reply-To: <CAHsqw9ue9AqTO4OxVDUzb-3u7GShxZRmjPDNzwJQVtsZi_3icw@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 	<CAOxvSbfuBUYc7fTS=Ov2gBi6JtCkhmy8YVP3iUXwENnmLdzH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 	<51692285.8000709@gaute.vetsj.com>
 	<CAHsqw9ue9AqTO4OxVDUzb-3u7GShxZRmjPDNzwJQVtsZi_3icw@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <51695AF1.2070701@gaute.vetsj.com>
 
 On la. 13. april 2013 kl. 12.09 +0200, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >> Hi,
 >>
 >> Jonathan: I put your commit into a pull request at:
 >> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/19
 >>
 >> Also, re-branding and updating to web-references:
 >> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/20
 >>
 >> any comments on this? You can see the changes I made. I have absolutely
 >> no intentions of stepping on any toes, but this is a suggestion.
 >
 > No, thank you very much! That looks great!
 >
 >> It is a pity that the official home page and probably first search
 >> results direct to the abandoned home and gem of sup.
 >
 > It is too bad. Hopefully William could hand off access or at least
 > push updates somehow.
 >
 > If not, maybe we could stand up another domain pointing to github pages?
 > Looks like supmua.org and supm.ua are available. :p
 >
 > --j
 
 Yeah.. I think some web page is pretty essential, perhaps just the 
 standard github-pages domain for a start. Anyone feel up for the task, 
 I'd be happy to add you to the github-organization.
 
 Regards, Gaute
 
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sat Apr 13 13:29:08 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:29:08 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 In-Reply-To: <20130413124946.GA22905@kpad.otokar.looc2011.eu>
 References: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 	<CAOxvSbfuBUYc7fTS=Ov2gBi6JtCkhmy8YVP3iUXwENnmLdzH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 	<51692285.8000709@gaute.vetsj.com>
 	<20130413124946.GA22905@kpad.otokar.looc2011.eu>
 Message-ID: <51695DA4.4030906@gaute.vetsj.com>
 
 On 13. april 2013 14:49, Matthieu Rakotojaona wrote:
 > I guess it's also the occasion to think about the mailing list. I guess
 > no one has the rights on this one ? I don't see anything in github for
 > this functionality.
 
 
 Yup - maybe its time for 'sup2' - from rubyforge:
 
 http://rubyforge.org/docman/view.php/5/460/faq.html#abandoned
 
 Project xyz seems to be abandoned. Can you pass it to me?
 
 This comes up occasionally - a well-named or positioned project gets
 started, then the project admin falls out of sight and can't be reached.
 Patches pile up, people start wondering what's going on, and it seems a
 shame to lose the project name by forking it. So someone will ask if we
 as RubyForge admins will pass over control of the project to them.
 
 We really, really, hesitate to transfer admin privileges from one person
 to another, even if the original admin has completely disappeared. I
 suspect there are legal complications, and we don't have the budget to
 deal with those. Furthermore, suppose the original admin has been off on
 furlough for a year and comes back to find that his project has been
 moved away from him. Not a pleasant situation.
 
 In situations where the project admin can't be reached for a long time
 and folks want to move forward, I suggest forking the project. You're
 welcome to host a xyz2 version of project xyz on RubyForge, and if the
 original admin ever shows up again and wants to hand over the project to
 you, we can help facilitate that.
 
 From sdothum@gmail.com  Sat Apr 13 15:42:45 2013
 From: sdothum@gmail.com (Steven Hum)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:42:45 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 In-Reply-To: <51695DA4.4030906@gaute.vetsj.com>
 References: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
 	<CAOxvSbfuBUYc7fTS=Ov2gBi6JtCkhmy8YVP3iUXwENnmLdzH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 	<51692285.8000709@gaute.vetsj.com>
 	<20130413124946.GA22905@kpad.otokar.looc2011.eu>
 	<51695DA4.4030906@gaute.vetsj.com>
 Message-ID: <1365867255-sup-1309@luna>
 
 
 I was thinking the same, that it may be time for a sup2 repository.
 
 This is very premature, but are there any thoughts to integrate some of 
 the work done in the sup forks. I am thinking in particular of the imap 
 work ezyang did -- I adopted his fork as he seemed to be the most active 
 with regards to imap folder handling, notably propagating updates.
 
 It would be nice to consolidate the features many of these forks 
 addressed.. though, I have no idea how this can be easily facilitated.
 
 Regards,
 Steven
 
 Excerpts from Gaute Hope's message of 2013-04-13 09:29:08 -0400:
 > On 13. april 2013 14:49, Matthieu Rakotojaona wrote:
 > > I guess it's also the occasion to think about the mailing list. I guess
 > > no one has the rights on this one ? I don't see anything in github for
 > > this functionality.
 > 
 > 
 > Yup - maybe its time for 'sup2' - from rubyforge:
 > 
 > http://rubyforge.org/docman/view.php/5/460/faq.html#abandoned
 > 
 > Project xyz seems to be abandoned. Can you pass it to me?
 > 
 > This comes up occasionally - a well-named or positioned project gets
 > started, then the project admin falls out of sight and can't be reached.
 > Patches pile up, people start wondering what's going on, and it seems a
 > shame to lose the project name by forking it. So someone will ask if we
 > as RubyForge admins will pass over control of the project to them.
 > 
 > We really, really, hesitate to transfer admin privileges from one person
 > to another, even if the original admin has completely disappeared. I
 > suspect there are legal complications, and we don't have the budget to
 > deal with those. Furthermore, suppose the original admin has been off on
 > furlough for a year and comes back to find that his project has been
 > moved away from him. Not a pleasant situation.
 > 
 > In situations where the project admin can't be reached for a long time
 > and folks want to move forward, I suggest forking the project. You're
 > welcome to host a xyz2 version of project xyz on RubyForge, and if the
 > original admin ever shows up again and wants to hand over the project to
 > you, we can help facilitate that.
 -- 
 "Truth or die."
 
 Steven Hum  
 5 - 28 Gilmour St  
 Ottawa, ON K2P 0N3  
 email sdothum at gmail.com  
 tel 613.237.9058  
 
 From jof@thejof.com  Sat Apr 13 16:35:53 2013
 From: jof@thejof.com (Jonathan Lassoff)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:35:53 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 In-Reply-To: <51695AF1.2070701@gaute.vetsj.com>
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 On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 > On la. 13. april 2013 kl. 12.09 +0200, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >>> Hi,
 >>>
 >>> Jonathan: I put your commit into a pull request at:
 >>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/19
 >>>
 >>> Also, re-branding and updating to web-references:
 >>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/20
 >>>
 >>> any comments on this? You can see the changes I made. I have absolutely
 >>> no intentions of stepping on any toes, but this is a suggestion.
 >>
 >> No, thank you very much! That looks great!
 >>
 >>> It is a pity that the official home page and probably first search
 >>> results direct to the abandoned home and gem of sup.
 >>
 >> It is too bad. Hopefully William could hand off access or at least
 >> push updates somehow.
 >>
 >> If not, maybe we could stand up another domain pointing to github pages?
 >> Looks like supmua.org and supm.ua are available. :p
 >>
 >> --j
 >
 > Yeah.. I think some web page is pretty essential, perhaps just the
 > standard github-pages domain for a start. Anyone feel up for the task,
 > I'd be happy to add you to the github-organization.
 
 Agreed. I snagged supmua.org for a year, and have it pointing at
 sup-heliotrope.github.io for pages.
 
 Stick me on the org, and I'll see about getting a simple site started.
 
 Cheers,
 jof
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sat Apr 13 17:14:04 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:14:04 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
 In-Reply-To: <CAHsqw9v46_d+n=XUeg76zmws+kjtit3SfQ59NZtTxMYrJ8F1Vg@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <CAHsqw9sqBv-5zkdKhPcOwzi-qpe250U3ksHAvgwTENJ8EtozFA@mail.gmail.com>
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 On 13. april 2013 18:35, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >> On la. 13. april 2013 kl. 12.09 +0200, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 >>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >>>> Hi,
 >>>>
 >>>> Jonathan: I put your commit into a pull request at:
 >>>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/19
 >>>>
 >>>> Also, re-branding and updating to web-references:
 >>>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/20
 >>>>
 >>>> any comments on this? You can see the changes I made. I have absolutely
 >>>> no intentions of stepping on any toes, but this is a suggestion.
 >>>
 >>> No, thank you very much! That looks great!
 >>>
 >>>> It is a pity that the official home page and probably first search
 >>>> results direct to the abandoned home and gem of sup.
 >>>
 >>> It is too bad. Hopefully William could hand off access or at least
 >>> push updates somehow.
 >>>
 >>> If not, maybe we could stand up another domain pointing to github pages?
 >>> Looks like supmua.org and supm.ua are available. :p
 >>>
 >>> --j
 >>
 >> Yeah.. I think some web page is pretty essential, perhaps just the
 >> standard github-pages domain for a start. Anyone feel up for the task,
 >> I'd be happy to add you to the github-organization.
 > 
 > Agreed. I snagged supmua.org for a year, and have it pointing at
 > sup-heliotrope.github.io for pages.
 > 
 > Stick me on the org, and I'll see about getting a simple site started.
 
 Nice. You're on.
 
 Cheers, Gaute
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sat Apr 13 17:37:01 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:37:01 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
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 If we go sup2 I would suggest the following plan:
 
 - Release the best we can get with the current code for 1.9.3 as a last
 community release of sup-0.12, say.. sup-0.13.
 
 For sup2:
 - Fork a new repo: sup2
 - Go for Mail in stead of RMail (index breakage)
 - Go for only Psych (config breakage), requires psych gem in 1.8
 - Integrate the IMAP / label sync back stuff (personally this is what I
 miss the most)
 - Go for ruby 2.0.0 and maybe 1.8
 - Get rid of all dependencies that are abandoned or deprecated (ncurses
 gem..)
 - Try to do tests on most stuff for different encodings
 - Try to get UTF-8 / encoding right
 - Move all the rest of the infrastructure to something the project is in
 control of
 
 Would be very nice:
 - Index migration
 - Config migration
 
 For the web page (eventually):
 - note about the original project
 - note about the last sup-0.13 release
 - wiki and project page for sup2
 
 This plan more or less holds whether we go sup2 or not, but I think it
 is easier to get rid of the hopeless dependencies.
 
 @sup-devel readers: discussion is currently at sup-talk, please send any
 responses there.
 
 Regards, Gaute
 
 On 13. april 2013 19:14, Gaute Hope wrote:
 > 
 > 
 > On 13. april 2013 18:35, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >>> On la. 13. april 2013 kl. 12.09 +0200, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 >>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >>>>> Hi,
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Jonathan: I put your commit into a pull request at:
 >>>>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/19
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Also, re-branding and updating to web-references:
 >>>>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/20
 >>>>>
 >>>>> any comments on this? You can see the changes I made. I have absolutely
 >>>>> no intentions of stepping on any toes, but this is a suggestion.
 >>>>
 >>>> No, thank you very much! That looks great!
 >>>>
 >>>>> It is a pity that the official home page and probably first search
 >>>>> results direct to the abandoned home and gem of sup.
 >>>>
 >>>> It is too bad. Hopefully William could hand off access or at least
 >>>> push updates somehow.
 >>>>
 >>>> If not, maybe we could stand up another domain pointing to github pages?
 >>>> Looks like supmua.org and supm.ua are available. :p
 >>>>
 >>>> --j
 >>>
 >>> Yeah.. I think some web page is pretty essential, perhaps just the
 >>> standard github-pages domain for a start. Anyone feel up for the task,
 >>> I'd be happy to add you to the github-organization.
 >>
 >> Agreed. I snagged supmua.org for a year, and have it pointing at
 >> sup-heliotrope.github.io for pages.
 >>
 >> Stick me on the org, and I'll see about getting a simple site started.
 > 
 > Nice. You're on.
 > 
 > Cheers, Gaute
 > 
 
 From jof@thejof.com  Sat Apr 13 19:15:10 2013
 From: jof@thejof.com (Jonathan Lassoff)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:15:10 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
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 http://supmua.org/
 
 Just tossed this, up but it's mostly stuff from the old rubyforge page.
 
 On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >
 >
 > On 13. april 2013 18:35, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >>> On la. 13. april 2013 kl. 12.09 +0200, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 >>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >>>>> Hi,
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Jonathan: I put your commit into a pull request at:
 >>>>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/19
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Also, re-branding and updating to web-references:
 >>>>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/20
 >>>>>
 >>>>> any comments on this? You can see the changes I made. I have absolutely
 >>>>> no intentions of stepping on any toes, but this is a suggestion.
 >>>>
 >>>> No, thank you very much! That looks great!
 >>>>
 >>>>> It is a pity that the official home page and probably first search
 >>>>> results direct to the abandoned home and gem of sup.
 >>>>
 >>>> It is too bad. Hopefully William could hand off access or at least
 >>>> push updates somehow.
 >>>>
 >>>> If not, maybe we could stand up another domain pointing to github pages?
 >>>> Looks like supmua.org and supm.ua are available. :p
 >>>>
 >>>> --j
 >>>
 >>> Yeah.. I think some web page is pretty essential, perhaps just the
 >>> standard github-pages domain for a start. Anyone feel up for the task,
 >>> I'd be happy to add you to the github-organization.
 >>
 >> Agreed. I snagged supmua.org for a year, and have it pointing at
 >> sup-heliotrope.github.io for pages.
 >>
 >> Stick me on the org, and I'll see about getting a simple site started.
 >
 > Nice. You're on.
 >
 > Cheers, Gaute
 
 From jof@thejof.com  Sat Apr 13 19:19:17 2013
 From: jof@thejof.com (Jonathan Lassoff)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
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 On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 > If we go sup2 I would suggest the following plan:
 >
 > - Release the best we can get with the current code for 1.9.3 as a last
 > community release of sup-0.12, say.. sup-0.13.
 >
 > For sup2:
 > - Fork a new repo: sup2
 > - Go for Mail in stead of RMail (index breakage)
 > - Go for only Psych (config breakage), requires psych gem in 1.8
 > - Integrate the IMAP / label sync back stuff (personally this is what I
 > miss the most)
 > - Go for ruby 2.0.0 and maybe 1.8
 > - Get rid of all dependencies that are abandoned or deprecated (ncurses
 > gem..)
 
 And target ncursesw?
 
 > - Try to do tests on most stuff for different encodings
 > - Try to get UTF-8 / encoding right
 > - Move all the rest of the infrastructure to something the project is in
 > control of
 >
 > Would be very nice:
 > - Index migration
 > - Config migration
 >
 > For the web page (eventually):
 > - note about the original project
 > - note about the last sup-0.13 release
 > - wiki and project page for sup2
 >
 > This plan more or less holds whether we go sup2 or not, but I think it
 > is easier to get rid of the hopeless dependencies.
 
 I agree that it's worth it to drop unmaintained dependencies and just
 fix what breaks.
 It would be unfortunate to have to fork the project and make a
 different name. I wonder if Morgan has lost interest or is just busy
 with other things.
 
 Cheers,
 jof
 > @sup-devel readers: discussion is currently at sup-talk, please send any
 > responses there.
 >
 > Regards, Gaute
 >
 > On 13. april 2013 19:14, Gaute Hope wrote:
 >>
 >>
 >> On 13. april 2013 18:35, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 >>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >>>> On la. 13. april 2013 kl. 12.09 +0200, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 >>>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >>>>>> Hi,
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> Jonathan: I put your commit into a pull request at:
 >>>>>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/19
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> Also, re-branding and updating to web-references:
 >>>>>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/20
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> any comments on this? You can see the changes I made. I have absolutely
 >>>>>> no intentions of stepping on any toes, but this is a suggestion.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> No, thank you very much! That looks great!
 >>>>>
 >>>>>> It is a pity that the official home page and probably first search
 >>>>>> results direct to the abandoned home and gem of sup.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> It is too bad. Hopefully William could hand off access or at least
 >>>>> push updates somehow.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> If not, maybe we could stand up another domain pointing to github pages?
 >>>>> Looks like supmua.org and supm.ua are available. :p
 >>>>>
 >>>>> --j
 >>>>
 >>>> Yeah.. I think some web page is pretty essential, perhaps just the
 >>>> standard github-pages domain for a start. Anyone feel up for the task,
 >>>> I'd be happy to add you to the github-organization.
 >>>
 >>> Agreed. I snagged supmua.org for a year, and have it pointing at
 >>> sup-heliotrope.github.io for pages.
 >>>
 >>> Stick me on the org, and I'll see about getting a simple site started.
 >>
 >> Nice. You're on.
 >>
 >> Cheers, Gaute
 >>
 
 From jof@thejof.com  Sat Apr 13 20:48:55 2013
 From: jof@thejof.com (Jonathan Lassoff)
 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 13:48:55 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
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 Maybe William can help out?
 https://twitter.com/wm/status/323175493367119873
 
 On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof at thejof.com> wrote:
 > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >> If we go sup2 I would suggest the following plan:
 >>
 >> - Release the best we can get with the current code for 1.9.3 as a last
 >> community release of sup-0.12, say.. sup-0.13.
 >>
 >> For sup2:
 >> - Fork a new repo: sup2
 >> - Go for Mail in stead of RMail (index breakage)
 >> - Go for only Psych (config breakage), requires psych gem in 1.8
 >> - Integrate the IMAP / label sync back stuff (personally this is what I
 >> miss the most)
 >> - Go for ruby 2.0.0 and maybe 1.8
 >> - Get rid of all dependencies that are abandoned or deprecated (ncurses
 >> gem..)
 >
 > And target ncursesw?
 >
 >> - Try to do tests on most stuff for different encodings
 >> - Try to get UTF-8 / encoding right
 >> - Move all the rest of the infrastructure to something the project is in
 >> control of
 >>
 >> Would be very nice:
 >> - Index migration
 >> - Config migration
 >>
 >> For the web page (eventually):
 >> - note about the original project
 >> - note about the last sup-0.13 release
 >> - wiki and project page for sup2
 >>
 >> This plan more or less holds whether we go sup2 or not, but I think it
 >> is easier to get rid of the hopeless dependencies.
 >
 > I agree that it's worth it to drop unmaintained dependencies and just
 > fix what breaks.
 > It would be unfortunate to have to fork the project and make a
 > different name. I wonder if Morgan has lost interest or is just busy
 > with other things.
 >
 > Cheers,
 > jof
 >> @sup-devel readers: discussion is currently at sup-talk, please send any
 >> responses there.
 >>
 >> Regards, Gaute
 >>
 >> On 13. april 2013 19:14, Gaute Hope wrote:
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On 13. april 2013 18:35, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 >>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >>>>> On la. 13. april 2013 kl. 12.09 +0200, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 >>>>>>> Hi,
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> Jonathan: I put your commit into a pull request at:
 >>>>>>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/19
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> Also, re-branding and updating to web-references:
 >>>>>>> - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/pull/20
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> any comments on this? You can see the changes I made. I have absolutely
 >>>>>>> no intentions of stepping on any toes, but this is a suggestion.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> No, thank you very much! That looks great!
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>> It is a pity that the official home page and probably first search
 >>>>>>> results direct to the abandoned home and gem of sup.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> It is too bad. Hopefully William could hand off access or at least
 >>>>>> push updates somehow.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> If not, maybe we could stand up another domain pointing to github pages?
 >>>>>> Looks like supmua.org and supm.ua are available. :p
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> --j
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Yeah.. I think some web page is pretty essential, perhaps just the
 >>>>> standard github-pages domain for a start. Anyone feel up for the task,
 >>>>> I'd be happy to add you to the github-organization.
 >>>>
 >>>> Agreed. I snagged supmua.org for a year, and have it pointing at
 >>>> sup-heliotrope.github.io for pages.
 >>>>
 >>>> Stick me on the org, and I'll see about getting a simple site started.
 >>>
 >>> Nice. You're on.
 >>>
 >>> Cheers, Gaute
 >>>
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sat Apr 13 22:17:32 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:17:32 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
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 On la. 13. april 2013 kl. 22.48 +0200, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 > Maybe William can help out?
 > https://twitter.com/wm/status/323175493367119873
 
 That would be the best ;)
 
 But I still think we need to get rid of the deprecated and abandoned 
 stuff.
 
 - gaute
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sat Apr 13 22:20:55 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:20:55 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
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 On 13. april 2013 21:15, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 > http://supmua.org/
 > 
 > Just tossed this, up but it's mostly stuff from the old rubyforge page.
 
 Thats a good start, nice work!
 
 - gaute
 
 From eric.weikl@gmx.net  Sun Apr 14 11:31:14 2013
 From: eric.weikl@gmx.net (Eric Weikl)
 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:31:14 +0200
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 Hi Gaute,
 
 That sounds like a plan of action :-)
 
 Excerpts from Gaute Hope's message of 2013-04-13 19:37:01 +0200:
 > - Go for Mail in stead of RMail (index breakage)
 
 Is this related to getting rid of Iconv for Ruby 2.0.0, or is it a
 separate issue? Otherwise, I would favor lumping it in the same release
 together with IMAP syncback, since both require a migration step by the
 user.
 
 > - Integrate the IMAP / label sync back stuff (personally this is what I
 >   miss the most)
 
 I've been using the imap syncback code by Damien Leone from ezyang's
 branch for quite a while now (> 1 year) without any issues. It should be
 fairly easy to cherry-pick the relevant commits into the development
 branch.
 
 > - Get rid of all dependencies that are abandoned or deprecated (ncurses
 >   gem..)
 
 +1 I'd also add deleting all unused code and other stuff (server code,
 website, Redwood protocol stuff, etc.).
 
 > - Try to do tests on most stuff for different encodings
 
 I thought about adding some functional tests (through the UI or
 otherwise), since retrofitting unit tests is probably too much of a pain.
 I need to figure out how the parts fit together some more, though.
 Do you think that makes sense?
 
 > Would be very nice:
 > - Index migration
 
 We could do the index migration like the imap syncback code does - it
 recognizes that it wasn't done yet and asks you to run a command-line
 tool.
 
 > - Config migration
 
 How exactly will the config change? Possibly it easy to detect via
 regular expressions or something?
 
 Cheers,
 Eric
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sun Apr 14 12:05:52 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 14:05:52 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] [sup-devel]  sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
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 On 14. april 2013 13:31, Eric Weikl wrote:
 > Hi Gaute,
 > 
 > That sounds like a plan of action :-)
 > 
 > Excerpts from Gaute Hope's message of 2013-04-13 19:37:01 +0200:
 >> - Go for Mail in stead of RMail (index breakage)
 > 
 > Is this related to getting rid of Iconv for Ruby 2.0.0, or is it a
 > separate issue? Otherwise, I would favor lumping it in the same release
 > together with IMAP syncback, since both require a migration step by the
 > user.
 
 No, RMail and Iconv are separate issues.
 
 Yes, that was my thinking as well - since both config and index need a
 migration step. Iconv deprecation should be seamless (syncback as well).
 
 >> - Integrate the IMAP / label sync back stuff (personally this is what I
 >>   miss the most)
 > 
 > I've been using the imap syncback code by Damien Leone from ezyang's
 > branch for quite a while now (> 1 year) without any issues. It should be
 > fairly easy to cherry-pick the relevant commits into the development
 > branch.
 
 Cool. I would really like to see this in main sup, any other objections?
 In my view the main arguments are:
 
 - Manipulating IMAP could mess up user mail (potentially new bugs could
 mess up)
 - Maintaining this functionality requires some long-term (at least
 minor) effort
 - It modifies the mail store (could be solved with disabled-by-default)
 which I think is a big plus for many
 
 I would suggest creating a official branch for this now, if you are
 interested I could add you as commiter or owner.
 
 >> - Get rid of all dependencies that are abandoned or deprecated (ncurses
 >>   gem..)
 > 
 > +1 I'd also add deleting all unused code and other stuff (server code,
 > website, Redwood protocol stuff, etc.).
 
 Yes, you could put Iconv in this category as well.
 
 >> - Try to do tests on most stuff for different encodings
 > 
 > I thought about adding some functional tests (through the UI or
 > otherwise), since retrofitting unit tests is probably too much of a pain.
 > I need to figure out how the parts fit together some more, though.
 > Do you think that makes sense?
 > 
 >> Would be very nice:
 >> - Index migration
 > 
 > We could do the index migration like the imap syncback code does - it
 > recognizes that it wasn't done yet and asks you to run a command-line
 > tool.
 
 Not entirely sure how things are built up, but migration probably
 requires to map ids between Mail and RMail (it's going to be messy).
 Matthieu had some insight here, see:
 https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/issues/22
 
 >> - Config migration
 > 
 > How exactly will the config change? Possibly it easy to detect via
 > regular expressions or something?
 
 The YAML output from Syck (deprecated and removed) and Psych is
 incompatible. So the old config files are not readable by Psych. An
 approach could possibly be: install syck as a gem (if it exists), load
 the file with Syck, re-write it with Psych. There exists a Psych gem for
 1.8 (which could be conditionally loaded).
 
 Also might be worth taking a look at sup inspired stuff; notmuch /
 mutt-kz which I don't think provides the same as sup, but are less buggy
 atm.
 
 Cheers,
 Gaute
 
 From eric.weikl@gmx.net  Sun Apr 14 17:39:53 2013
 From: eric.weikl@gmx.net (Eric Weikl)
 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:39:53 +0200
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 Hi Gaute,
 
 Excerpts from Gaute Hope's message of 2013-04-14 14:05:52 +0200:
 > In my view the main arguments are:
 > 
 > - Manipulating IMAP could mess up user mail (potentially new bugs could
 >   mess up)
 
 Yes. Although my experience was positive until now, this definitely needs
 extensive testing (especially when disabled). Volunteers, anyone? :-)
 
 > I would suggest creating a official branch for this now, if you are
 > interested I could add you as commiter or owner.
 
 Sure, I can give it a spin.
 
 Cheers,
 Eric
 
 From dmishd@gmail.com  Sun Apr 14 17:45:57 2013
 From: dmishd@gmail.com (Hamish D)
 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:45:57 +0100
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 > For sup2:
 > - Fork a new repo: sup2
 > - Go for Mail in stead of RMail (index breakage)
 > - Go for only Psych (config breakage), requires psych gem in 1.8
 > - Integrate the IMAP / label sync back stuff (personally this is what I
 > miss the most)
 > - Go for ruby 2.0.0 and maybe 1.8
 > - Get rid of all dependencies that are abandoned or deprecated (ncurses
 > gem..)
 > - Try to do tests on most stuff for different encodings
 > - Try to get UTF-8 / encoding right
 > - Move all the rest of the infrastructure to something the project is in
 > control of
 
 Another one for the list would be to update the GPG code to use
 version 2 of ruby-gpgme - it currently works with ruby-gpgme 1.0.8
 
 Maybe we should move this list to the wiki.
 
 Hamish
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sun Apr 14 22:32:43 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 00:32:43 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
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 On 14. april 2013 19:45, Hamish D wrote:
 >> For sup2:
 >> - Fork a new repo: sup2
 >> - Go for Mail in stead of RMail (index breakage)
 >> - Go for only Psych (config breakage), requires psych gem in 1.8
 >> - Integrate the IMAP / label sync back stuff (personally this is what I
 >> miss the most)
 >> - Go for ruby 2.0.0 and maybe 1.8
 >> - Get rid of all dependencies that are abandoned or deprecated (ncurses
 >> gem..)
 >> - Try to do tests on most stuff for different encodings
 >> - Try to get UTF-8 / encoding right
 >> - Move all the rest of the infrastructure to something the project is in
 >> control of
 > 
 > Another one for the list would be to update the GPG code to use
 > version 2 of ruby-gpgme - it currently works with ruby-gpgme 1.0.8
 > 
 > Maybe we should move this list to the wiki.
 
 Definitely: A roadmap for the next sup.
 
 Cheers,
 Gaute
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Mon Apr 15 11:42:28 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:42:28 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup: Fix for an UndefinedMethodError
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 On 14. april 2013 19:45, Hamish D wrote:
 >> For sup2:
 >> - Fork a new repo: sup2
 >> - Go for Mail in stead of RMail (index breakage)
 >> - Go for only Psych (config breakage), requires psych gem in 1.8
 >> - Integrate the IMAP / label sync back stuff (personally this is what I
 >> miss the most)
 >> - Go for ruby 2.0.0 and maybe 1.8
 >> - Get rid of all dependencies that are abandoned or deprecated (ncurses
 >> gem..)
 >> - Try to do tests on most stuff for different encodings
 >> - Try to get UTF-8 / encoding right
 >> - Move all the rest of the infrastructure to something the project is in
 >> control of
 > 
 > Another one for the list would be to update the GPG code to use
 > version 2 of ruby-gpgme - it currently works with ruby-gpgme 1.0.8
 > 
 > Maybe we should move this list to the wiki.
 
 https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Development
 
 Please edit and comment - this was done quickly.
 
 - Gaute
 
 From marka@pobox.com  Mon Apr 15 14:01:11 2013
 From: marka@pobox.com (Mark Alexander)
 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:01:11 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] [PATCH] Fix problem with account selector
 Message-ID: <1366034093-sup-2478@x200s>
 
 Here is the commit on my fork (I also did a pull request)
 for something that I found useful when using the same
 inbox for both personal and work email:
 
 https://github.com/bloovis/sup/commit/4f843f53feac2cc7e1f7d8f5a32043878b398ace
 
 When sending a message, the account selector was ignoring
 the account set by the before-edit hook.  Fix this
 by running the hook before setting up the account selector.
 ---
  lib/sup/modes/edit-message-mode.rb |    3 ++-
  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
 
 diff --git a/lib/sup/modes/edit-message-mode.rb b/lib/sup/modes/edit-message-mode.rb
 index 464d935..1ed5969 100644
 --- a/lib/sup/modes/edit-message-mode.rb
 +++ b/lib/sup/modes/edit-message-mode.rb
 @@ -116,6 +116,8 @@ EOS
      @selector_label_width = 0
      @async_mode = nil
  
 +    HookManager.run "before-edit", :header => @header, :body => @body
 +
      @account_selector = nil
      # only show account selector if there is more than one email address
      if $config[:account_selector] && AccountManager.user_emails.length > 1
 @@ -145,7 +147,6 @@ EOS
        end
      add_selector @crypto_selector if @crypto_selector
  
 -    HookManager.run "before-edit", :header => @header, :body => @body
      if @crypto_selector
        HookManager.run "crypto-mode", :header => @header, :body => @body, :crypto_selector => @crypto_selector
      end
 -- 
 1.7.9.5
 
 From eric.weikl@gmx.net  Tue Apr 16 20:30:26 2013
 From: eric.weikl@gmx.net (Eric Weikl)
 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 22:30:26 +0200
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 Hi everyone,
 
 I created a new branch with all the commits from Damien Leone and Edward
 Yang related to maildir syncback and put it here:
 
 https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/tree/maildir-sync
 
 I skipped some advanced stuff like Edward's inotify support for now. We
 can add that later.
 
 I performed some basic testing, but it would be great if some more people
 could give it a try. There's some documentation in the wiki:
 
 https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Maildir-Syncback
 
 Cheers,
 Eric
 
 Excerpts from Gaute Hope's message of 2013-04-14 14:05:52 +0200:
 > Cool. I would really like to see this in main sup, any other
 > objections?  In my view the main arguments are:
 > 
 > - Manipulating IMAP could mess up user mail (potentially new bugs could
 > mess up)
 > - Maintaining this functionality requires some long-term (at least
 > minor) effort
 > - It modifies the mail store (could be solved with disabled-by-default)
 > which I think is a big plus for many
 > 
 > I would suggest creating a official branch for this now, if you are
 > interested I could add you as commiter or owner.
 
 From matthieu.rakotojaona@gmail.com  Tue Apr 16 21:21:45 2013
 From: matthieu.rakotojaona@gmail.com (Matthieu Rakotojaona)
 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:21:45 +0200
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 On 04/16, Eric Weikl wrote:
 > Hi everyone,
 > 
 > I created a new branch with all the commits from Damien Leone and Edward
 > Yang related to maildir syncback and put it here:
 > 
 > https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/tree/maildir-sync
 > 
 > I skipped some advanced stuff like Edward's inotify support for now. We
 > can add that later.
 > 
 > I performed some basic testing, but it would be great if some more people
 > could give it a try. There's some documentation in the wiki:
 > 
 > https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Maildir-Syncback
 > 
 > Cheers,
 > Eric
 
 Fantastic. Not being able to sync back was what prevented me from using
 it. After much work and discouragement with heliotrope, I will gladly
 try this !
 
 On a longer-term note, syncing back to maildir has the limitation that
 non-standard flags (i.e labels) will not be handled, unless we start
 defining some custom way of storing them or modifying the original
 emails, which I highly dislike (this is how mu[0] works). But that's
 just something to keep in mind for future times, when we have a stable,
 up-to-date sup release. Let's do this ! =]
 
 [0] http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/
 
 -- 
 Matthieu Rakotojaona
 
 From sdothum@gmail.com  Wed Apr 17 03:31:33 2013
 From: sdothum@gmail.com (Steven Hum)
 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:31:33 -0400
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 Beautiful! I will begin using this in place of my copy of ezyang's fork 
 immediately.
 
 Thanks for all your hard work,
 Steven
 
 
 Excerpts from Eric Weikl's message of 2013-04-16 16:30:26 -0400:
 > Hi everyone,
 > 
 > I created a new branch with all the commits from Damien Leone and Edward
 > Yang related to maildir syncback and put it here:
 > 
 > https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/tree/maildir-sync
 > 
 > I skipped some advanced stuff like Edward's inotify support for now. We
 > can add that later.
 > 
 > I performed some basic testing, but it would be great if some more people
 > could give it a try. There's some documentation in the wiki:
 > 
 > https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Maildir-Syncback
 > 
 > Cheers,
 > Eric
 > 
 > Excerpts from Gaute Hope's message of 2013-04-14 14:05:52 +0200:
 > > Cool. I would really like to see this in main sup, any other
 > > objections?  In my view the main arguments are:
 > > 
 > > - Manipulating IMAP could mess up user mail (potentially new bugs could
 > > mess up)
 > > - Maintaining this functionality requires some long-term (at least
 > > minor) effort
 > > - It modifies the mail store (could be solved with disabled-by-default)
 > > which I think is a big plus for many
 > > 
 > > I would suggest creating a official branch for this now, if you are
 > > interested I could add you as commiter or owner.
 -- 
 "Truth or die."
 
 Steven Hum  
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 Ottawa, ON K2P 0N3  
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 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Wed Apr 17 08:51:29 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:51:29 +0200
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 On 16. april 2013 23:21, Matthieu Rakotojaona wrote:
 > On 04/16, Eric Weikl wrote:
 >> Hi everyone,
 >>
 >> I created a new branch with all the commits from Damien Leone and Edward
 >> Yang related to maildir syncback and put it here:
 >>
 >> https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/tree/maildir-sync
 >>
 >> I skipped some advanced stuff like Edward's inotify support for now. We
 >> can add that later.
 >>
 >> I performed some basic testing, but it would be great if some more people
 >> could give it a try. There's some documentation in the wiki:
 >>
 >> https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Maildir-Syncback
 >>
 >> Cheers,
 >> Eric
 > 
 > Fantastic. Not being able to sync back was what prevented me from using
 > it. After much work and discouragement with heliotrope, I will gladly
 > try this !
 > 
 > On a longer-term note, syncing back to maildir has the limitation that
 > non-standard flags (i.e labels) will not be handled, unless we start
 > defining some custom way of storing them or modifying the original
 > emails, which I highly dislike (this is how mu[0] works). But that's
 > just something to keep in mind for future times, when we have a stable,
 > up-to-date sup release. Let's do this ! =]
 > 
 > [0] http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/
 > 
 
 Great!
 
 Put up a wikipage for collecting some resources on this:
 https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Development:-Maildir-syncback
 
 Also a notmuch user created a script for syncing labels to maildir
 folders:
 https://github.com/altercation/es-bin/blob/master/maildir-notmuch-sync
 
 Cheers, Gaute
 
 From marka@pobox.com  Wed Apr 17 10:22:08 2013
 From: marka@pobox.com (Mark Alexander)
 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 06:22:08 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] [PATCH] Fix problem with account selector
 In-Reply-To: <1366034093-sup-2478@x200s>
 References: <1366034093-sup-2478@x200s>
 Message-ID: <1366193674-sup-848@x200s>
 
 I should probably explain the rationale behind this patch.
 
 For a couple of years I used a single instance of sup to handle email
 for two different accounts: one for personal email, and the other for
 work email.  When I sent a message to somebody at work, I wanted the
 From: address to be set automatically to my work email address.
 Otherwise I wanted the From: address to be set to my personal email
 address.  To do this I wrote a before-edit hook that looked like this
 (with my company name changed to "widgets"):
 
   unless header["In-reply-to"]
     if header["To"] =~ /widgets/
       to = header["To"]
       info "Sending as widgets, to = #{to}"
       header["From"] = "Mark Alexander <marka at widgets.com>"
     else
       to = header["To"]
       info "Sending as pobox, to = #{to}"
       header["From"] = "Mark Alexander <marka at pobox.com>"
     end
   end
 
 But the hook didn't work; the account selector was changing the From:
 address back to marka at pobox.com even after the hook had set it to
 marka at widgets.com.  The fix was to run the hook before the account
 selector was initialized.
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Wed Apr 17 13:53:06 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:53:06 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] Encoding: UTF-8
 Message-ID: <CABKe4Mu-8FDU+QrX-o3+57AuqNjcAd4AO2h2cHvdF5m3pLPZ0w@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hi,
 
 I set up a wiki page about UTF-8, if-when Iconv gets deprecated it's an
 excellent time to get UTF-8 right. Please modify or comment. I intended the
 page as a sort of coding-guide, but there are (as part of Iconv
 deprecation) several parts that need to be re-written.
 
 https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Development:-UTF-8
 
 Cheers,
 Gaute
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 From wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net  Sun Apr 21 03:31:35 2013
 From: wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net (William Morgan)
 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:31:35 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] what can i help with?
 Message-ID: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 
 Hi folks,
 
 My sincere apologies for the complete and utter abandonment of Sup and
 Heliotrope. It's a constant source of emotional distress to me, but I do
 not have time to do anything with these projects any more. (Including
 monitoring this mailing list, which long ago fell victim to an
 overly-aggressive filtering rule.) I apologize.
 
 But I'm thrilled to see that there is enough community momentum to keep
 things going. I'd love to enable this as best I can. What is the list of
 things you need from me to take over maintenance of Sup?
 
 1. Add some new owners to the sup gem. (Who?)
 2. Add some administrators to the Rubyforge page. (Who?)
 3. What else?
 
 -w
 
 From dmishd@gmail.com  Sun Apr 21 09:16:05 2013
 From: dmishd@gmail.com (Hamish D)
 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:16:05 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] what can i help with?
 In-Reply-To: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 References: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 Message-ID: <CAOxvSbcGss0r7c8BLfXQ6nPehBsPc7wz_Wo21KDifhZ+fFs7Bg@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hello William
 
 Nice to hear from you again.
 
 > My sincere apologies for the complete and utter abandonment of Sup and
 > Heliotrope.... I apologize.
 
 Life happens.
 
 > But I'm thrilled to see that there is enough community momentum to keep
 > things going. I'd love to enable this as best I can. What is the list of
 > things you need from me to take over maintenance of Sup?
 >
 > 1. Add some new owners to the sup gem. (Who?)
 > 2. Add some administrators to the Rubyforge page. (Who?)
 > 3. What else?
 
 Does the rubyforge page manage these email lists? It would be good to
 be able to admin them.
 
 It's a long shot, but any chance you have some back ups of the old
 wiki before it got spammed into oblivion?  We've recovered what we can
 and started re-writing what we can't, but it would be lovely to get a
 dump of the old wiki (in whatever format).
 
 As to who - Gaute Hope appears to have been the most active in the
 recent renaissance, so I would definitely give him access. Then as we
 sort ourselves out Gaute can give others access. (Not that I'd oppose
 others, but it would be good to get at least one person on quickly).
 
 Hamish
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sun Apr 21 10:11:23 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:11:23 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] what can i help with?
 In-Reply-To: <CAOxvSbcGss0r7c8BLfXQ6nPehBsPc7wz_Wo21KDifhZ+fFs7Bg@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 	<CAOxvSbcGss0r7c8BLfXQ6nPehBsPc7wz_Wo21KDifhZ+fFs7Bg@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <B23FC9D5-7ACE-44A0-813E-AB4C1ACF0EFF@gaute.vetsj.com>
 
 Hi William and list,
 
 No stress and its nice to hear from you again.
 
 I would be happy to take over that responsibility (and share it with for instance Hamish and Matthieu for starters, which I can fix afterwards of course).  
 
 I will most likely stay interested in the project for a long time, but it will definitely vary how much time I can spend - so lets quickly get someone else on the admin part as well.
 
 Den 21. apr. 2013 kl. 11.16 skrev Hamish D:
 
 > Hello William
 > 
 > Nice to hear from you again.
 > 
 >> My sincere apologies for the complete and utter abandonment of Sup and
 >> Heliotrope.... I apologize.
 > 
 > Life happens.
 > 
 >> But I'm thrilled to see that there is enough community momentum to keep
 >> things going. I'd love to enable this as best I can. What is the list of
 >> things you need from me to take over maintenance of Sup?
 >> 
 >> 1. Add some new owners to the sup gem. (Who?)
 >> 2. Add some administrators to the Rubyforge page. (Who?)
 >> 3. What else?
 > Does the rubyforge page manage these email lists? It would be good to
 > be able to admin them.
 > 
 
 Perhaps put a note up on the Gitorious sup organization (to avoid confusion)?
 
 As you may know we have put up an organization on GitHub we would be happy to add you there (if for nothing else than as an honorary member).  
 
 It is great to be able to continue the original project and not fork it off which definitely would loose some of the original community. Thanks for sharing it!
 
 Cheers, Gaute
 
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sun Apr 21 10:18:01 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:18:01 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] what can i help with?
 In-Reply-To: <B23FC9D5-7ACE-44A0-813E-AB4C1ACF0EFF@gaute.vetsj.com>
 References: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 	<CAOxvSbcGss0r7c8BLfXQ6nPehBsPc7wz_Wo21KDifhZ+fFs7Bg@mail.gmail.com>
 	<B23FC9D5-7ACE-44A0-813E-AB4C1ACF0EFF@gaute.vetsj.com>
 Message-ID: <0155E8B0-C6A9-43B2-8D64-B6643E34CDD0@gaute.vetsj.com>
 
 
 Den 21. apr. 2013 kl. 12.11 skrev Gaute Hope:
 >>> 3. What else?
 >> Does the rubyforge page manage these email lists? It would be good to
 >> be able to admin them.
 >> 
 > 
 > Perhaps put a note up on the Gitorious sup organization (to avoid confusion)?
 
 Is #sup @ freenode something that is in sup control? Not very important perhaps, but just to make sure it doesnt get spammed..
 
 Gaute
 
 From wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net  Sun Apr 21 16:41:38 2013
 From: wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net (William Morgan)
 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:41:38 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] what can i help with?
 In-Reply-To: <B23FC9D5-7ACE-44A0-813E-AB4C1ACF0EFF@gaute.vetsj.com>
 References: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 	<CAOxvSbcGss0r7c8BLfXQ6nPehBsPc7wz_Wo21KDifhZ+fFs7Bg@mail.gmail.com>
 	<B23FC9D5-7ACE-44A0-813E-AB4C1ACF0EFF@gaute.vetsj.com>
 Message-ID: <1366561995-turnsole-65603@cugel>
 
 Ok, Gaute, I've added you as an admin of the Rubyforge page, and admin
 of the Gitorious project, and as an owner of the gem. Let me know if for
 some reason I've screwed any of that up. Rubyforge adminship should
 allow you to change the contents of sup.rubyforge.org and administer the
 mailing lists.
 
 The freenode channel was set up by someone else... I don't remember who.
 I only used it once.
 
 Let me know what else I can do.
 
 Excerpts from Gaute Hope's message of 2013-04-21 03:11:23 -0700:
 > Hi William and list,
 > 
 > No stress and its nice to hear from you again.
 > 
 > I would be happy to take over that responsibility (and share it with for instance Hamish and Matthieu for starters, which I can fix afterwards of course).  
 > 
 > I will most likely stay interested in the project for a long time, but it will definitely vary how much time I can spend - so lets quickly get someone else on the admin part as well.
 > 
 > Den 21. apr. 2013 kl. 11.16 skrev Hamish D:
 > 
 > > Hello William
 > > 
 > > Nice to hear from you again.
 > > 
 > >> My sincere apologies for the complete and utter abandonment of Sup and
 > >> Heliotrope.... I apologize.
 > > 
 > > Life happens.
 > > 
 > >> But I'm thrilled to see that there is enough community momentum to keep
 > >> things going. I'd love to enable this as best I can. What is the list of
 > >> things you need from me to take over maintenance of Sup?
 > >> 
 > >> 1. Add some new owners to the sup gem. (Who?)
 > >> 2. Add some administrators to the Rubyforge page. (Who?)
 > >> 3. What else?
 > > Does the rubyforge page manage these email lists? It would be good to
 > > be able to admin them.
 > > 
 > 
 > Perhaps put a note up on the Gitorious sup organization (to avoid confusion)?
 > 
 > As you may know we have put up an organization on GitHub we would be happy to add you there (if for nothing else than as an honorary member).  
 > 
 > It is great to be able to continue the original project and not fork it off which definitely would loose some of the original community. Thanks for sharing it!
 > 
 > Cheers, Gaute
 
 From wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net  Sun Apr 21 16:43:34 2013
 From: wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net (William Morgan)
 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:43:34 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] what can i help with?
 In-Reply-To: <CAOxvSbcGss0r7c8BLfXQ6nPehBsPc7wz_Wo21KDifhZ+fFs7Bg@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 	<CAOxvSbcGss0r7c8BLfXQ6nPehBsPc7wz_Wo21KDifhZ+fFs7Bg@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1366562512-turnsole-94955@cugel>
 
 Excerpts from Hamish D's message of 2013-04-21 02:16:05 -0700:
 > It's a long shot, but any chance you have some back ups of the old
 > wiki before it got spammed into oblivion?  We've recovered what we can
 > and started re-writing what we can't, but it would be lovely to get a
 > dump of the old wiki (in whatever format).
 
 Unfortunately, I do not. I didn't save any myself, and the Rubyforge admin
 pages don't give you anything magical here.
 
 -- 
 William <wmorgan-sup at masanjin.net>
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sun Apr 21 17:53:38 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:53:38 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] what can i help with?
 In-Reply-To: <1366561995-turnsole-65603@cugel>
 References: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 	<CAOxvSbcGss0r7c8BLfXQ6nPehBsPc7wz_Wo21KDifhZ+fFs7Bg@mail.gmail.com>
 	<B23FC9D5-7ACE-44A0-813E-AB4C1ACF0EFF@gaute.vetsj.com>
 	<1366561995-turnsole-65603@cugel>
 Message-ID: <517427A2.5050003@gaute.vetsj.com>
 
 Hi William,
 
 Thanks, this looks good. I will add Hamish and Matthieu as
 administrators as well.
 
 Regards, Gaute
 
 On 21. april 2013 18:41, William Morgan wrote:
 > Ok, Gaute, I've added you as an admin of the Rubyforge page, and admin
 > of the Gitorious project, and as an owner of the gem. Let me know if for
 > some reason I've screwed any of that up. Rubyforge adminship should
 > allow you to change the contents of sup.rubyforge.org and administer the
 > mailing lists.
 > 
 > The freenode channel was set up by someone else... I don't remember who.
 > I only used it once.
 > 
 > Let me know what else I can do.
 > 
 > Excerpts from Gaute Hope's message of 2013-04-21 03:11:23 -0700:
 >> Hi William and list,
 >>
 >> No stress and its nice to hear from you again.
 >>
 >> I would be happy to take over that responsibility (and share it with for instance Hamish and Matthieu for starters, which I can fix afterwards of course).  
 >>
 >> I will most likely stay interested in the project for a long time, but it will definitely vary how much time I can spend - so lets quickly get someone else on the admin part as well.
 >>
 >> Den 21. apr. 2013 kl. 11.16 skrev Hamish D:
 >>
 >>> Hello William
 >>>
 >>> Nice to hear from you again.
 >>>
 >>>> My sincere apologies for the complete and utter abandonment of Sup and
 >>>> Heliotrope.... I apologize.
 >>>
 >>> Life happens.
 >>>
 >>>> But I'm thrilled to see that there is enough community momentum to keep
 >>>> things going. I'd love to enable this as best I can. What is the list of
 >>>> things you need from me to take over maintenance of Sup?
 >>>>
 >>>> 1. Add some new owners to the sup gem. (Who?)
 >>>> 2. Add some administrators to the Rubyforge page. (Who?)
 >>>> 3. What else?
 >>> Does the rubyforge page manage these email lists? It would be good to
 >>> be able to admin them.
 >>>
 >>
 >> Perhaps put a note up on the Gitorious sup organization (to avoid confusion)?
 >>
 >> As you may know we have put up an organization on GitHub we would be happy to add you there (if for nothing else than as an honorary member).  
 >>
 >> It is great to be able to continue the original project and not fork it off which definitely would loose some of the original community. Thanks for sharing it!
 >>
 >> Cheers, Gaute
 
 From matthieu.rakotojaona@gmail.com  Sun Apr 21 18:16:32 2013
 From: matthieu.rakotojaona@gmail.com (Matthieu Rakotojaona)
 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:32 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] what can i help with?
 In-Reply-To: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 References: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 Message-ID: <CAMiZLn1Rqn=kVT30dmiCQvtdPo4j8EmvGyndtqG7SdQDaBxOUA@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Hi William,
 
 It's a sad thing you do not have time to spare on a project in which
 you have put so much attention. Don't worry, we will take good care of
 your code for you =]
 
 I don't have much to add to the discussion, just a big thank you for
 sup, heliotrope and the other gems (haha !) you have come up with.
 Sometimes I wish other projects would read your code and take some
 inspiration of the readability you have.
 
 Anyway, see you around !
 
 -- 
 Matthieu RAKOTOJAONA
 
 From dmishd@gmail.com  Sun Apr 21 19:22:12 2013
 From: dmishd@gmail.com (Hamish D)
 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:22:12 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] what can i help with?
 In-Reply-To: <1366562512-turnsole-94955@cugel>
 References: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 	<CAOxvSbcGss0r7c8BLfXQ6nPehBsPc7wz_Wo21KDifhZ+fFs7Bg@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1366562512-turnsole-94955@cugel>
 Message-ID: <CAOxvSbfKZ1GSZd32V3k_Vg+Q30OGHLUCmFx4Tx3g2t+zUtZMOQ@mail.gmail.com>
 
 > Excerpts from Hamish D's message of 2013-04-21 02:16:05 -0700:
 >> It's a long shot, but any chance you have some back ups of the old
 >> wiki before it got spammed into oblivion?  We've recovered what we can
 >> and started re-writing what we can't, but it would be lovely to get a
 >> dump of the old wiki (in whatever format).
 >
 > Unfortunately, I do not. I didn't save any myself, and the Rubyforge admin
 > pages don't give you anything magical here.
 
 Ah, I thought maybe you had more control over the wiki. Now we have
 access to rubyforge I've opened a support request about it -
 https://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=29744&group_id=5&atid=102
 
 Fingers crossed ...
 
 Hamish
 
 From wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net  Sun Apr 21 22:52:54 2013
 From: wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net (William Morgan)
 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 15:52:54 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] what can i help with?
 In-Reply-To: <CAMiZLn1Rqn=kVT30dmiCQvtdPo4j8EmvGyndtqG7SdQDaBxOUA@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 	<CAMiZLn1Rqn=kVT30dmiCQvtdPo4j8EmvGyndtqG7SdQDaBxOUA@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1366584614-turnsole-75136@cugel>
 
 Thanks very much for the kind words. I appreciate it.
 
 Excerpts from Matthieu Rakotojaona's message of 2013-04-21 11:16:32 -0700:
 > Hi William,
 > 
 > It's a sad thing you do not have time to spare on a project in which
 > you have put so much attention. Don't worry, we will take good care of
 > your code for you =]
 > 
 > I don't have much to add to the discussion, just a big thank you for
 > sup, heliotrope and the other gems (haha !) you have come up with.
 > Sometimes I wish other projects would read your code and take some
 > inspiration of the readability you have.
 > 
 > Anyway, see you around !
 > 
 
 From jm@jmason.org  Mon Apr 22 09:32:43 2013
 From: jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason)
 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:32:43 +0100
 Subject: [sup-talk] what can i help with?
 In-Reply-To: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 References: <1366514503-turnsole-37382@cugel>
 Message-ID: <CAM8D7KT2Z765PN9CCX8XD4L089jX7JYaPyJWR=+uM_YiaUtd7w@mail.gmail.com>
 
 hey William -- as a happy sup user, let me add my voice to the 'thanks
 and no worries' list.  Life happens! ;)
 
 --j.
 
 On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 4:31 AM, William Morgan
 <wmorgan-sup at masanjin.net> wrote:
 > Hi folks,
 >
 > My sincere apologies for the complete and utter abandonment of Sup and
 > Heliotrope. It's a constant source of emotional distress to me, but I do
 > not have time to do anything with these projects any more. (Including
 > monitoring this mailing list, which long ago fell victim to an
 > overly-aggressive filtering rule.) I apologize.
 >
 > But I'm thrilled to see that there is enough community momentum to keep
 > things going. I'd love to enable this as best I can. What is the list of
 > things you need from me to take over maintenance of Sup?
 >
 > 1. Add some new owners to the sup gem. (Who?)
 > 2. Add some administrators to the Rubyforge page. (Who?)
 > 3. What else?
 >
 > -w
 > _______________________________________________
 > sup-talk mailing list
 > sup-talk at rubyforge.org
 > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/sup-talk
 
 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sun Apr 28 18:23:29 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:23:29 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] Getting ready for sup-0.13
 Message-ID: <517D6921.3050006@gaute.vetsj.com>
 
 Greetings list,
 
 William has graciously given us access to the rest of the Sup
 infrastructure and the plan is to move as much as possible to GitHub.
 
 At the moment we are three maintainers: Hamish Downer, Matthieu
 Rakotojaona and myself.
 
 There are three categories for the sup repository team:
 Owner, Commiter, Contributor. Pretty much any kind of contribution would
 mean we would add you to the contributor team if you asked to be.
 
 The plan for sup is:
 Release sup-0.13 relatively soon:
  - including the last bugfixes otherwise leave out the major changes
    that have been discussed lately
 
 And the proposed roadmap for sup-0.14:
  - support ruby 2.0.0
  - migrate to psych
  - remove all deprecated and abandoned dependencies (e.g. switch from
 RMail to Mail)
  - implement IMAP syncback support
  - get uft-8 encoding right
 
 We have documented this setup and the roadmap in the wiki at:
  -
 https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Development%3A-Administration-and-Team
  - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Development
 
 Please see https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Contributing on
 how to submit changes or contribute.
 
 There are a few tasks and roles that need some love, among them:
 maintaining the web site and maintaining the maildir feature branch.
 
 Regards, Fellow Suppers
 
 From jof@thejof.com  Sun Apr 28 18:47:41 2013
 From: jof@thejof.com (Jonathan Lassoff)
 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 11:47:41 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] Getting ready for sup-0.13
 In-Reply-To: <517D6921.3050006@gaute.vetsj.com>
 References: <517D6921.3050006@gaute.vetsj.com>
 Message-ID: <CAHsqw9s-98p_JfOkN6h7X6_mxn8HucnJjx-ruSapyNHtba0g_A@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Gaute -- thank you so much for organizing and calling out what needs to get
 done.
 
 It's great to see sup getting some love again!
 
 On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Gaute Hope <eg at gaute.vetsj.com> wrote:
 
 > Greetings list,
 >
 > William has graciously given us access to the rest of the Sup
 > infrastructure and the plan is to move as much as possible to GitHub.
 >
 > At the moment we are three maintainers: Hamish Downer, Matthieu
 > Rakotojaona and myself.
 >
 > There are three categories for the sup repository team:
 > Owner, Commiter, Contributor. Pretty much any kind of contribution would
 > mean we would add you to the contributor team if you asked to be.
 >
 > The plan for sup is:
 > Release sup-0.13 relatively soon:
 >  - including the last bugfixes otherwise leave out the major changes
 >    that have been discussed lately
 >
 > And the proposed roadmap for sup-0.14:
 >  - support ruby 2.0.0
 >  - migrate to psych
 >  - remove all deprecated and abandoned dependencies (e.g. switch from
 > RMail to Mail)
 >  - implement IMAP syncback support
 >  - get uft-8 encoding right
 >
 > We have documented this setup and the roadmap in the wiki at:
 >  -
 >
 > https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Development%3A-Administration-and-Team
 >  - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Development
 >
 > Please see https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Contributing on
 > how to submit changes or contribute.
 >
 > There are a few tasks and roles that need some love, among them:
 > maintaining the web site and maintaining the maildir feature branch.
 >
 
 I'd love to help contribute to testing, but am short on time these days.
 However, I setup the site, and will work to fix up the content on there.
 Please file requests here:
 https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup-heliotrope.github.io/issues
 
 Cheers,
 jof
 
 >
 > Regards, Fellow Suppers
 > _______________________________________________
 > sup-talk mailing list
 > sup-talk at rubyforge.org
 > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/sup-talk
 >
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 From eg@gaute.vetsj.com  Sun Apr 28 19:01:28 2013
 From: eg@gaute.vetsj.com (Gaute Hope)
 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 21:01:28 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] Getting ready for sup-0.13
 In-Reply-To: <CAHsqw9s-98p_JfOkN6h7X6_mxn8HucnJjx-ruSapyNHtba0g_A@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <517D6921.3050006@gaute.vetsj.com>
 	<CAHsqw9s-98p_JfOkN6h7X6_mxn8HucnJjx-ruSapyNHtba0g_A@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <517D7208.2040907@gaute.vetsj.com>
 
 On 28. april 2013 20:47, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
 >> There are a few tasks and roles that need some love, among them:
 >> maintaining the web site and maintaining the maildir feature branch.
 >>
 > 
 > I'd love to help contribute to testing, but am short on time these days.
 > However, I setup the site, and will work to fix up the content on there.
 > Please file requests here:
 > https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup-heliotrope.github.io/issues
 
 thanks, I am not at all alone.
 
 That'd be great. Don't hesitate to add yourself to homepage/webpage
 responsible:
 https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Development#roles-and-tasks
 if you wish to.
 
 @ericweikl: you already did some work to keep the maildir branch up to
 date so if you wish you could add yourself to the maildir-sync branch
 responsible at the same wikipage.
 
 neither of you will be alone of course.
 
 when we get around to it sup.rubyforge.org should redirect to the new site.
 
 Regards, Gaute
 
 From sdothum@gmail.com  Sun Apr 28 19:05:31 2013
 From: sdothum@gmail.com (Steven Hum)
 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:05:31 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] Getting ready for sup-0.13
 In-Reply-To: <517D6921.3050006@gaute.vetsj.com>
 References: <517D6921.3050006@gaute.vetsj.com>
 Message-ID: <1367175691-sup-3315@luna>
 
 
 Kudos and thanks to all the sup maintainers and contributors. It is 
 really exciting to see sup get the attention it deserves.
 
 I will definitely stay on top of the develop branch to assist in any way 
 possible.
 
 Regards,
 Steven
 
 Excerpts from Gaute Hope's message of 2013-04-28 14:23:29 -0400:
 > Greetings list,
 > 
 > William has graciously given us access to the rest of the Sup
 > infrastructure and the plan is to move as much as possible to GitHub.
 > 
 > At the moment we are three maintainers: Hamish Downer, Matthieu
 > Rakotojaona and myself.
 > 
 > There are three categories for the sup repository team:
 > Owner, Commiter, Contributor. Pretty much any kind of contribution would
 > mean we would add you to the contributor team if you asked to be.
 > 
 > The plan for sup is:
 > Release sup-0.13 relatively soon:
 >  - including the last bugfixes otherwise leave out the major changes
 >    that have been discussed lately
 > 
 > And the proposed roadmap for sup-0.14:
 >  - support ruby 2.0.0
 >  - migrate to psych
 >  - remove all deprecated and abandoned dependencies (e.g. switch from
 > RMail to Mail)
 >  - implement IMAP syncback support
 >  - get uft-8 encoding right
 > 
 > We have documented this setup and the roadmap in the wiki at:
 >  -
 > https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Development%3A-Administration-and-Team
 >  - https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Development
 > 
 > Please see https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Contributing on
 > how to submit changes or contribute.
 > 
 > There are a few tasks and roles that need some love, among them:
 > maintaining the web site and maintaining the maildir feature branch.
 > 
 > Regards, Fellow Suppers
 -- 
 "Truth or die."
 
 Steven Hum  
 5 - 28 Gilmour St  
 Ottawa, ON K2P 0N3  
 email sdothum at gmail.com  
 tel 613.237.9058  
 
 From eric.weikl@gmx.net  Sun Apr 28 19:59:56 2013
 From: eric.weikl@gmx.net (Eric Weikl)
 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 21:59:56 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] Getting ready for sup-0.13
 In-Reply-To: <517D7208.2040907@gaute.vetsj.com>
 References: <517D6921.3050006@gaute.vetsj.com>
 	<CAHsqw9s-98p_JfOkN6h7X6_mxn8HucnJjx-ruSapyNHtba0g_A@mail.gmail.com>
 	<517D7208.2040907@gaute.vetsj.com>
 Message-ID: <1367178536-sup-1766@mint>
 
 Hi Gaute,
 
 thanks to you guys for giving some focus - I'm very happy that sup
 development is gaining some traction again!
 
 Excerpts from Gaute Hope's message of 2013-04-28 21:01:28 +0200:
 > @ericweikl: you already did some work to keep the maildir branch up to
 > date so if you wish you could add yourself to the maildir-sync branch
 > responsible at the same wikipage.
 
 Sure, I definitely want to finish what I started :-) I just added myself.
 
 Cheers,
 Eric
 
 From sup@zevv.nl  Sun Apr 28 20:33:03 2013
 From: sup@zevv.nl (Ico Doornekamp)
 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:33:03 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] Getting ready for sup-0.13
 In-Reply-To: <517D6921.3050006@gaute.vetsj.com>
 References: <517D6921.3050006@gaute.vetsj.com>
 Message-ID: <1367181127-sup-5301@pruts.nl>
 
 * On Sun Apr 28 20:23:29 +0200 2013, Gaute Hope wrote:
  
 > The plan for sup is:
 > Release sup-0.13 relatively soon:
 >  - including the last bugfixes otherwise leave out the major changes
 >    that have been discussed lately
 
 Yay, this makes my day, Thanks to all involved!
  
 
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