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 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Sat Jul  3 09:35:38 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 09:35:38 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup exception
 In-Reply-To: <1276137615-sup-4328@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
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 Message-ID: <1278164115-sup-7199@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from Ben Walton's message of Wed Jun 09 22:42:12 -0400 2010:
 
 > I needed the following patch to run (old 1.8 here; no
 > Symbol#to_proc).
 
 Bump...
 
 Thanks
 -Ben
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From johnbent@lanl.gov  Thu Jul  8 19:15:50 2010
 From: johnbent@lanl.gov (John Bent)
 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:15:50 -0600
 Subject: [sup-talk] Send Individually feature
 Message-ID: <1278630818-sup-6829@guava.lanl.gov>
 
 I'm sorry I just contribute wishes and not patches . . . 
 
 Speaking of which, here's a wish!
 
 I sometimes send email to large recipient lists.  I would really like
 there to be a way to ask sup to send a separate email to each recipient
 instead of just sending the same one to all.  I want to break the
 problem of diffused responsibility.  Also, when I'm sending out
 invitations, I feel the acceptance rate is higher when people receive an
 individual email. bcc'ing also doesn't work because I want them to be
 tricked into thinking that I've sent them an individualized email. 
 -- 
 Thanks,
 
 John 
 
 From fedzor@gmail.com  Sat Jul 10 13:55:51 2010
 From: fedzor@gmail.com (fedzor)
 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:55:51 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk]  xapian load issues
 Message-ID: <B74D42D5-E809-446D-A972-2737C441C454@gmail.com>
 
 Hello:
 
 I love sup. I have used it before (0.4) and loved it to bits, but had to stop using it because my computer was too slow.
 
 But now, I have a fast laptop and want to make sup my primary MUA. Let's give it a shot, shall we?
 
 [ari: ~] sup
 /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/xapian-full-1.1.3.4/lib/_xapian.bundle: dlopen(/Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/xapian-full-1.1.3.4/lib/_xapian.bundle, 9): Library not loaded: /usr/local/lib/libxapian-1.1.3.dylib (LoadError)
  Referenced from: /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/xapian-full-1.1.3.4/lib/_xapian.bundle
  Reason: image not found - /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/xapian-full-1.1.3.4/lib/_xapian.bundle
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.8.7-p174/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `require'
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/xapian-full-1.1.3.4/lib/xapian.rb:41
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.8.7-p174/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `gem_original_require'
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.8.7-p174/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `require'
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup/index.rb:3
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.8.7-p174/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `gem_original_require'
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.8.7-p174/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `require'
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/sup-0.11/lib/sup.rb:316
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.8.7-p174/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `gem_original_require'
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.8.7-p174/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `require'
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/sup-0.11/bin/sup:15
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/bin/sup:19:in `load'
        from /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/bin/sup:19
 [ari: ~] 
 
 
 FUUUUUUUUU. I have no idea how to fix this, and I have done mucho googling for it. Thoughts? Suggestions? Help?
 
 - Ari Brown (seydar)
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Sat Jul 10 14:28:48 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:28:48 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] xapian load issues
 In-Reply-To: <B74D42D5-E809-446D-A972-2737C441C454@gmail.com>
 References: <B74D42D5-E809-446D-A972-2737C441C454@gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1278786266-sup-5828@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from fedzor's message of Sat Jul 10 13:55:51 -0400 2010:
 
 I'm not a mac person, but...
 
 > /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/xapian-full-1.1.3.4/lib/_xapian.bundle: dlopen(/Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/xapian-full-1.1.3.4/lib/_xapian.bundle, 9): Library not loaded: /usr/local/lib/libxapian-1.1.3.dylib (LoadError)
 >  Referenced from: /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/xapian-full-1.1.3.4/lib/_xapian.bundle
 >  Reason: image not found -
 >  /Users/ari/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.8.7-p174/gems/xapian-full-1.1.3.4/lib/_xapian.bundle
 
 How did you install the non-gem part of xapian?  Eg the .dylib files
 that the .dylib file built by the gem would be linked
 against...looking at this error, I'd suspect you built it by hand or
 with some other (macports?) process.  Does
 /usr/local/lib/libxapian-1.1.3.dylib exist?  Is it in fact a dynamic
 shared object (file /usr/local/lib/libxapian...).  Excuse the
 terminology if it's not that used by the mac platform.
 
 If libxapian-1.1.3.dylib is not in /usr/local, but in some other
 location, you could be fighting an RPATH (embedded in another .dylib
 file) or an environment setting like LD_LIBRARY_PATH, etc.
 
 First of all, make sure your environment isn't polluted with LD*
 variables.  Second, determine the correct location of the xapian
 library.  Third, report back and hope there are some other mac people
 here! :)
 
 HTH.
 -Ben
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From mk.kawalec@gmail.com  Sun Jul 11 08:03:47 2010
 From: mk.kawalec@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBLYXdhbGVj?=)
 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:03:47 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] No imap support in sup-config
 Message-ID: <4C39B323.4040000@gmail.com>
 
 Hello,
 I recently installed sup with gem install sup, however a lack of imap 
 while doing sup-config prevents me from using it to more serious tasks 
 than looking on different buffers. Is there any way to fix it?
 
 Best Regards,
 Michal
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Sun Jul 11 08:20:53 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 08:20:53 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] No imap support in sup-config
 In-Reply-To: <4C39B323.4040000@gmail.com>
 References: <4C39B323.4040000@gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1278850749-sup-7289@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from Micha? Kawalec's message of Sun Jul 11 08:03:47 -0400 2010:
 
 Hi Michal,
 
 > I recently installed sup with gem install sup, however a lack of
 > imap while doing sup-config prevents me from using it to more
 > serious tasks than looking on different buffers. Is there any way to
 > fix it?
 
 IMAP support in sup is deprecated.  It just didn't work well with the
 way sup wants to view the mail stores.  People that have mail
 available by IMAP are using offlineimap to retrieve it locally to
 Maildir's and then adding Maildir sources to sup.
 
 There is a recent thread on this list about making this handling work
 better so that you can have other mail clients in use with the sources
 too, but that's experimental still.
 
 HTH.
 -Ben
 
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From hollunder@lavabit.com  Sun Jul 11 08:18:23 2010
 From: hollunder@lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=)
 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:18:23 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] No imap support in sup-config
 In-Reply-To: <4C39B323.4040000@gmail.com>
 References: <4C39B323.4040000@gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1278850662-sup-8619@eris>
 
 Excerpts from Micha? Kawalec's message of 2010-07-11 14:03:47 +0200:
 > Hello,
 > I recently installed sup with gem install sup, however a lack of imap 
 > while doing sup-config prevents me from using it to more serious tasks 
 > than looking on different buffers. Is there any way to fix it?
 > 
 > Best Regards,
 > Michal
 
 Something like offlineimap is recommended.
 -- 
 Regards,
 Philipp
 
 --
 "Wir stehen selbst entt?uscht und sehn betroffen / Den Vorhang zu und alle Fragen offen." Bertolt Brecht, Der gute Mensch von Sezuan
 
 
 From mk.kawalec@gmail.com  Sun Jul 11 09:02:26 2010
 From: mk.kawalec@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBLYXdhbGVj?=)
 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:02:26 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] No imap support in sup-config
 In-Reply-To: <1278850749-sup-7289@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 References: <4C39B323.4040000@gmail.com>
 	<1278850749-sup-7289@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 Message-ID: <4C39C0E2.1040904@gmail.com>
 
 W dniu 11.07.2010 14:20, Ben Walton pisze:
 > Excerpts from Micha? Kawalec's message of Sun Jul 11 08:03:47 -0400 2010:
 >
 > Hi Michal,
 >
 >> I recently installed sup with gem install sup, however a lack of
 >> imap while doing sup-config prevents me from using it to more
 >> serious tasks than looking on different buffers. Is there any way to
 >> fix it?
 >
 > IMAP support in sup is deprecated.  It just didn't work well with the
 > way sup wants to view the mail stores.  People that have mail
 > available by IMAP are using offlineimap to retrieve it locally to
 > Maildir's and then adding Maildir sources to sup.
 >
 > There is a recent thread on this list about making this handling work
 > better so that you can have other mail clients in use with the sources
 > too, but that's experimental still.
 >
 > HTH.
 > -Ben
 >
 > --
 > Ben Walton
 > Systems Programmer - CHASS
 > University of Toronto
 > C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > sup-talk mailing list
 > sup-talk at rubyforge.org
 > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/sup-talk
 Hi Ben,
 
 Thank you for the fast answer. I'll try doing it this way then.
 
 Best Regards,
 Michal
 
 From david@rysdam.org  Sun Jul 11 11:40:31 2010
 From: david@rysdam.org (David Rysdam)
 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:40:31 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] No imap support in sup-config
 In-Reply-To: <1278850749-sup-7289@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 References: <4C39B323.4040000@gmail.com>
 	<1278850749-sup-7289@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 Message-ID: <1278862607-sup-5940@hero>
 
 Excerpts from Ben Walton's message of Sun Jul 11 08:20:53 -0400 2010:
 > Excerpts from Micha? Kawalec's message of Sun Jul 11 08:03:47 -0400 2010:
 > 
 > Hi Michal,
 > 
 > > I recently installed sup with gem install sup, however a lack of
 > > imap while doing sup-config prevents me from using it to more
 > > serious tasks than looking on different buffers. Is there any way to
 > > fix it?
 > 
 > IMAP support in sup is deprecated.  It just didn't work well with the
 > way sup wants to view the mail stores.  People that have mail
 > available by IMAP are using offlineimap to retrieve it locally to
 > Maildir's and then adding Maildir sources to sup.
 
 Heh, I was just coming here to ask about something related.
 
 I noticed the IMAP support was gone, which is sad, but OK.  So I set
 up getmail to get my mail.  But how do I migrate to that?
 
 I got the mail into a maildir and I added that as a source and I did a
 sup-sync --changed source1 source2.  But how do I remove the IMAP
 source?  Just removing it from sources.yaml makes sup crash.  (This is
 0.10.2.)  I see something in the wiki about removing index entries,
 but the instructions are for ferret instead of xapian.
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Sun Jul 11 16:45:42 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:45:42 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] No imap support in sup-config
 In-Reply-To: <1278862607-sup-5940@hero>
 References: <4C39B323.4040000@gmail.com>
 	<1278850749-sup-7289@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 	<1278862607-sup-5940@hero>
 Message-ID: <1278881060-sup-2957@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from David Rysdam's message of Sun Jul 11 11:40:31 -0400 2010:
 
 > I got the mail into a maildir and I added that as a source and I did
 > a sup-sync --changed source1 source2.  But how do I remove the IMAP
 > source?  Just removing it from sources.yaml makes sup crash.  (This
 > is 0.10.2.)  I see something in the wiki about removing index
 > entries, but the instructions are for ferret instead of xapian.
 
 I _think_ you'd need to do a sup-sync-back with a sup that supports
 IMAP still after removing the mail from the IMAP source.  When the
 index is in such a state where no messages reference the source id for
 the imap source, you should then be able to yank.
 
 I've never need to do anything like this though, so hopefully others
 will chime in with advice.
 
 Thanks
 -Ben
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From david@rysdam.org  Sun Jul 11 18:37:59 2010
 From: david@rysdam.org (David Rysdam)
 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:37:59 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] No imap support in sup-config
 In-Reply-To: <1278881060-sup-2957@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 References: <4C39B323.4040000@gmail.com>
 	<1278850749-sup-7289@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 	<1278862607-sup-5940@hero>
 	<1278881060-sup-2957@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 Message-ID: <1278887799-sup-4561@hero>
 
 Excerpts from Ben Walton's message of Sun Jul 11 16:45:42 -0400 2010:
 > Excerpts from David Rysdam's message of Sun Jul 11 11:40:31 -0400 2010:
 > 
 > > I got the mail into a maildir and I added that as a source and I did
 > > a sup-sync --changed source1 source2.  But how do I remove the IMAP
 > > source?  Just removing it from sources.yaml makes sup crash.  (This
 > > is 0.10.2.)  I see something in the wiki about removing index
 > > entries, but the instructions are for ferret instead of xapian.
 > 
 > I _think_ you'd need to do a sup-sync-back with a sup that supports
 > IMAP still after removing the mail from the IMAP source.  When the
 > index is in such a state where no messages reference the source id for
 > the imap source, you should then be able to yank.
 
 
 Wellllll.....what if I were moving from imap to offlineimap?  Then
 wouldn't the messages be staying on the server?  I shouldn't have to
 delete them, I wouldn't think.
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Sun Jul 11 20:00:50 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:00:50 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] No imap support in sup-config
 In-Reply-To: <1278887799-sup-4561@hero>
 References: <4C39B323.4040000@gmail.com>
 	<1278850749-sup-7289@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 	<1278862607-sup-5940@hero>
 	<1278881060-sup-2957@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 	<1278887799-sup-4561@hero>
 Message-ID: <1278892733-sup-2198@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from David Rysdam's message of Sun Jul 11 18:37:59 -0400 2010:
 
 > Wellllll.....what if I were moving from imap to offlineimap?  Then
 > wouldn't the messages be staying on the server?  I shouldn't have to
 > delete them, I wouldn't think.
 
 Right, but sup relies heavily on the association between message and
 source.  When you add the mail to a Maildir and then sync that source,
 you'd be adding a duplicate copy to the index.  I don't think this
 would be good for your use of sup.  Again though, I'm talking about
 things I haven't done and I'm not (at all) familiar with the code
 handling the indexing.
 
 Thanks
 -Ben
 
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From rlane@club.cc.cmu.edu  Mon Jul 12 22:05:04 2010
 From: rlane@club.cc.cmu.edu (Rich Lane)
 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 22:05:04 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup exception
 In-Reply-To: <1276137615-sup-4328@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 References: <s2i3c5cf5261004191808y193e31ebn87187c27c1d2c392@mail.gmail.com>
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 Message-ID: <1278986684-sup-9540@zyrg.net>
 
 Applied to master.
 
 From hollunder@lavabit.com  Tue Jul 13 12:46:40 2010
 From: hollunder@lavabit.com (Philipp)
 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:46:40 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup 0.11 - re-appearing thread
 Message-ID: <1279039349-sup-583@eris>
 
 Hi,
 everytime I start sup, one particular thread appears. I can archive it,
 and next time I start sup it's there again.
 Is this a known bug? Is there anything I can do about it?
 -- 
 Regards,
 Philipp
 
 --
 "Wir stehen selbst entt?uscht und sehn betroffen / Den Vorhang zu und alle Fragen offen." Bertolt Brecht, Der gute Mensch von Sezuan
 
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Tue Jul 13 12:55:59 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:55:59 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup 0.11 - re-appearing thread
 In-Reply-To: <1279039349-sup-583@eris>
 References: <1279039349-sup-583@eris>
 Message-ID: <1279040060-sup-4045@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from Philipp's message of Tue Jul 13 12:46:40 -0400 2010:
 
 Hi Philipp,
 
 > everytime I start sup, one particular thread appears. I can archive it,
 > and next time I start sup it's there again.
 > Is this a known bug? Is there anything I can do about it?
 
 I'm going to guiltily raise my hand and note that I'm aware of this
 issue and have simply been working around it instead of digging into
 the code to see why it happens...
 
 You can (for now) work around it by altering the message state in some
 other way.  I typically add a * and then remove it again.  If you do
 this and then archive the thread, the archive will now 'stick.'
 
 I may have time in the next few days to try and see why this happens.
 
 HTH.
 -Ben
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From hollunder@lavabit.com  Tue Jul 13 13:09:26 2010
 From: hollunder@lavabit.com (Philipp)
 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:09:26 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] Possibility of missing messages in a thread?
 Message-ID: <1279039610-sup-1286@eris>
 
 This is just a suspicion I want to have confirmed.
 Imagine an active mailinglist thread, messages might arrive every
 minute. Imagine long-ish messages where it takes you minutes to reply.
 Imagine you answer to one of those messages, it takes you 5 minutes and
 say two new messages arrived in this thread the meantime.
 When do you get to see them?
 
 When I answer a message I write the answer in vim, save it, send the
 message and get back to sup's view of that particular message. Then I
 hit 'x' and usually 'a' to get back to the thread overview.
 
 At which point is the view of the thread updated? Do I already see the
 new messages after hitting 'x' and land in that thread? Is the thread
 there again after I hit 'a'? Or neither?
 
 I think I've missed a couple of messages this way.
 I'd appreciate it if someone could clarify.
 -- 
 Regards,
 Philipp
 
 --
 "Wir stehen selbst entt?uscht und sehn betroffen / Den Vorhang zu und alle Fragen offen." Bertolt Brecht, Der gute Mensch von Sezuan
 
 
 From hollunder@lavabit.com  Tue Jul 13 14:08:10 2010
 From: hollunder@lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=)
 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:08:10 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup 0.11 - re-appearing thread
 In-Reply-To: <1279040060-sup-4045@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 References: <1279039349-sup-583@eris>
 	<1279040060-sup-4045@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 Message-ID: <1279044401-sup-3293@eris>
 
 Excerpts from Ben Walton's message of 2010-07-13 18:55:59 +0200:
 > Excerpts from Philipp's message of Tue Jul 13 12:46:40 -0400 2010:
 > 
 > Hi Philipp,
 > 
 > > everytime I start sup, one particular thread appears. I can archive it,
 > > and next time I start sup it's there again.
 > > Is this a known bug? Is there anything I can do about it?
 > 
 > I'm going to guiltily raise my hand and note that I'm aware of this
 > issue and have simply been working around it instead of digging into
 > the code to see why it happens...
 > 
 > You can (for now) work around it by altering the message state in some
 > other way.  I typically add a * and then remove it again.  If you do
 > this and then archive the thread, the archive will now 'stick.'
 > 
 > I may have time in the next few days to try and see why this happens.
 > 
 > HTH.
 > -Ben
 > --
 > Ben Walton
 > Systems Programmer - CHASS
 > University of Toronto
 > C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 Ah, thanks for looking into this. If it helps anything I can forward the
 messages of that particular thread or something, it's around 5 messages.
 -- 
 Regards,
 Philipp
 
 --
 "Wir stehen selbst entt?uscht und sehn betroffen / Den Vorhang zu und alle Fragen offen." Bertolt Brecht, Der gute Mensch von Sezuan
 
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Tue Jul 13 14:17:13 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:17:13 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] sup 0.11 - re-appearing thread
 In-Reply-To: <1279044401-sup-3293@eris>
 References: <1279039349-sup-583@eris>
 	<1279040060-sup-4045@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 	<1279044401-sup-3293@eris>
 Message-ID: <1279044929-sup-5774@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from Philipp ?berbacher's message of Tue Jul 13 14:08:10 -0400 2010:
 
 > Ah, thanks for looking into this. If it helps anything I can forward the
 > messages of that particular thread or something, it's around 5 messages.
 
 No problem.  I've got enough of my own threads that do it from time to
 time.  At this point, I don't think it's specific to anything in the
 thread and more of a general bug (worse to track down), but I could
 be wrong.
 
 Thanks
 -ben
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From david@rysdam.org  Wed Jul 14 09:24:01 2010
 From: david@rysdam.org (David Rysdam)
 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:24:01 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] changing "excerpts from" string?
 Message-ID: <1279113764-sup-423@hero>
 
 "Excerpts from <person's> message of Tue Jul 13 10:46:51 -0400"
 
 Is the format of that a config option that isn't documented or is it
 hardcoded?
 
 From mariano.mara@gmail.com  Wed Jul 14 09:40:38 2010
 From: mariano.mara@gmail.com (Mariano Mara)
 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:40:38 -0300
 Subject: [sup-talk] changing "excerpts from" string?
 In-Reply-To: <1279113764-sup-423@hero>
 References: <1279113764-sup-423@hero>
 Message-ID: <1279114597-sup-9742@kafka>
 
 Excerpts from David Rysdam's message of Wed Jul 14 10:24:01 -0300 2010:
 > "Excerpts from <person's> message of Tue Jul 13 10:46:51 -0400"
 > 
 > Is the format of that a config option that isn't documented or is it
 > hardcoded?
 
 $ grep -Rn Excerpts *
 modes/edit-message-mode.rb:476:    @body.join("\n") =~ /(\S+)\s*Excerpts
 from.*\n(>.*\n)+\s*\Z/
 modes/reply-mode.rb:14:Generates an attribution ("Excerpts from Joe
 Bloggs's message of Fri Jan 11 09:54:32 -0500 2008:").
 modes/reply-mode.rb:187:    "Excerpts from #{@m.from.name}'s message of
 #{@m.date}:"
 
 Looks hardcoded to me. Since I don't really understand ruby, this is a
 wild guess.
 
 Mariano
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Wed Jul 14 09:45:00 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:45:00 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] changing "excerpts from" string?
 In-Reply-To: <1279113764-sup-423@hero>
 References: <1279113764-sup-423@hero>
 Message-ID: <1279115021-sup-9020@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from David Rysdam's message of Wed Jul 14 09:24:01 -0400 2010:
 
 > Is the format of that a config option that isn't documented or is it
 > hardcoded?
 
 What you're looking for is the attribution hook.  Run sup with -l to
 see the list of available hooks and the location where sup expects to
 find the file.  Additionally, it tells you 'what you get' and 'what to
 give back.'
 
 In this case, you have a message variable available that represents
 the message you're replying to and you need to return a string.
 
 HTH.
 -Ben
 
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From david@rysdam.org  Wed Jul 14 09:49:40 2010
 From: david@rysdam.org (David Rysdam)
 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:49:40 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] changing "excerpts from" string?
 In-Reply-To: <1279115021-sup-9020@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 References: <1279113764-sup-423@hero>
 	<1279115021-sup-9020@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 Message-ID: <1279115307-sup-8828@hero>
 
 Excerpts from Ben Walton's message of Wed Jul 14 09:45:00 -0400 2010:
 > Excerpts from David Rysdam's message of Wed Jul 14 09:24:01 -0400 2010:
 > 
 > > Is the format of that a config option that isn't documented or is it
 > > hardcoded?
 > 
 > What you're looking for is the attribution hook.  Run sup with -l to
 > see the list of available hooks and the location where sup expects to
 > find the file.  Additionally, it tells you 'what you get' and 'what to
 > give back.'
 
 Whoa, that -l thing is an awesome feature.  One thanks for the
 attribution hook and one thanks for the -l feature.
 
 From danielgoldin@gmail.com  Fri Jul 16 12:51:54 2010
 From: danielgoldin@gmail.com (Daniel Goldin)
 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:51:54 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] ubuntu 10.10 failed install
 Message-ID: <AANLkTilBm2Ow3ATHo1UlBqGwvFGEUnxCBw42wPnwxb1G@mail.gmail.com>
 
 I'm a non-programmer type who has been enjoying sup-mail on ubuntu 10.04. I
 upgraded to the alpha version for various reasons, but now sup-mail doesn't
 work following an apt install.
 
 I get this error:
 
 /usr/lib/ruby/1,8/ncurses.rb:22:in 'require': no such file to load --
 ncurses_bin.so (LoadError)...
 
 Any ideas of how to troubleshoot or solve.
 
 d.
 
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 From marka@pobox.com  Fri Jul 16 17:21:09 2010
 From: marka@pobox.com (Mark Alexander)
 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:21:09 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] ubuntu 10.10 failed install
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilBm2Ow3ATHo1UlBqGwvFGEUnxCBw42wPnwxb1G@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTilBm2Ow3ATHo1UlBqGwvFGEUnxCBw42wPnwxb1G@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1279315086-sup-6073@r61>
 
 Excerpts from Daniel Goldin's message of Fri Jul 16 12:51:54 -0400 2010:
 > I'm a non-programmer type who has been enjoying sup-mail on ubuntu 10.04.
 
 Wow, I didn't know there was a sup package for 10.04; I've been installing
 it on all my systems using gem.
 
 > /usr/lib/ruby/1,8/ncurses.rb:22:in 'require': no such file to load --
 > ncurses_bin.so (LoadError)...
 
 This is just a wild guess, but you might be able to fix the problem by
 installing the libncurses-ruby package (I found this by doing
 "aptitude search ncurses").
 
 From danielgoldin@gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 00:45:03 2010
 From: danielgoldin@gmail.com (Daniel Goldin)
 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:45:03 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] ubuntu 10.10 failed install
 In-Reply-To: <1279315086-sup-6073@r61>
 References: <AANLkTilBm2Ow3ATHo1UlBqGwvFGEUnxCBw42wPnwxb1G@mail.gmail.com>
 	<1279315086-sup-6073@r61>
 Message-ID: <AANLkTim_naZyDdlK2PHg-lFr9VHwoyIzK35SpX3psy66@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Nope. Libncurses-ruby package is installed.
 
 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Mark Alexander <marka at pobox.com> wrote:
 
 > Excerpts from Daniel Goldin's message of Fri Jul 16 12:51:54 -0400 2010:
 > > I'm a non-programmer type who has been enjoying sup-mail on ubuntu 10.04.
 >
 > Wow, I didn't know there was a sup package for 10.04; I've been installing
 > it on all my systems using gem.
 >
 > > /usr/lib/ruby/1,8/ncurses.rb:22:in 'require': no such file to load --
 > > ncurses_bin.so (LoadError)...
 >
 > This is just a wild guess, but you might be able to fix the problem by
 > installing the libncurses-ruby package (I found this by doing
 > "aptitude search ncurses").
 >
 
 
 
 -- 
 Daniel Goldin
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 From danielgoldin@gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 13:29:41 2010
 From: danielgoldin@gmail.com (Daniel Goldin)
 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:29:41 -0700
 Subject: [sup-talk] install problems on ubuntu 10.10
 Message-ID: <AANLkTimoFaCUwRBX8u005SoygSgmlIYI72Ty2qLtLXAb@mail.gmail.com>
 
 Installing from apt didn't work. Trying gem install sup, I get the following
 errors:
 
 ERROR:  Error installing sup:
     ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
 
 rake1.8 RUBYARCHDIR=/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/xapian-full-1.1.3.4/lib
 RUBYLIBDIR=/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/xapian-full-1.1.3.4/lib
 sh: rake1.8: not
 
 Any thoughts? I am not a programmer, so keep it elementary, if you will.
 
 d.
 
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 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Sat Jul 17 14:10:12 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 14:10:12 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] install problems on ubuntu 10.10
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimoFaCUwRBX8u005SoygSgmlIYI72Ty2qLtLXAb@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTimoFaCUwRBX8u005SoygSgmlIYI72Ty2qLtLXAb@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1279390136-sup-7516@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from Daniel Goldin's message of Sat Jul 17 13:29:41 -0400 2010:
 
 >     ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
 
 To install the xapian gem, you'll need the xapian library and
 development headers.  On my Ubuntu 10.10 box here, those are packages
 named libxapian15 and libxapian-dev.
 
 HTH.
 -Ben
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From marka@pobox.com  Sat Jul 17 15:05:12 2010
 From: marka@pobox.com (Mark Alexander)
 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:05:12 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] install problems on ubuntu 10.10
 In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimoFaCUwRBX8u005SoygSgmlIYI72Ty2qLtLXAb@mail.gmail.com>
 References: <AANLkTimoFaCUwRBX8u005SoygSgmlIYI72Ty2qLtLXAb@mail.gmail.com>
 Message-ID: <1279393381-sup-2001@r61>
 
 Excerpts from Daniel Goldin's message of Sat Jul 17 13:29:41 -0400 2010:
 > sh: rake1.8: not
 
 Looks like the complete error message was truncated, but I think
 this means rake was not found.  I ran into this on Ubuntu 10.04.
 Try doing this:
 
   sudo gem install rake
 
 To build xapian, you'll also need a C++ compiler:
 
   sudo aptitude install g++
 
 From vojtech@aschenbrenner.cz  Mon Jul 19 14:55:21 2010
 From: vojtech@aschenbrenner.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Vojt=C4=9Bch?= Aschenbrenner)
 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:55:21 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] More accounts, more send folders, etc.
 Message-ID: <20100719185521.GA16709@nb-asch.cust.nbox.cz>
 
 Hi folks,
 
 is it possible to configure sup to save sent messages to different
 folders according to mail account? For example if I send mail from
 school account save message to school/sent and if I send mail from
 personal account save it to personal/sent?
 
 Next think is, when writing new mail, how to specify which account use?
 Everytime is used default account.
 
 Sup has really great idea with huge mailbox and power of searching, but
 these 2 things are important for me.
 
 Thanks!
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 From vojtech@aschenbrenner.cz  Mon Jul 19 15:13:36 2010
 From: vojtech@aschenbrenner.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Vojt=C4=9Bch?= Aschenbrenner)
 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:13:36 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] More accounts, more send folders, etc.
 Message-ID: <20100719191336.GB16709@nb-asch.cust.nbox.cz>
 
 Hi folks,
 
 is it possible to configure sup to save sent messages to different
 folders according to mail account? For example if I send mail from
 school account save message to school/sent and if I send mail from
 personal account save it to personal/sent?
 
 Next think is, when writing new mail, how to specify which account use?
 Everytime is used default account.
 
 Sup has really great idea with huge mailbox and power of searching, but
 these 2 things are important for me.
 
 Thanks!
 
 From damien.leone@fensalir.fr  Mon Jul 19 15:28:28 2010
 From: damien.leone@fensalir.fr (Damien Leone)
 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:28:28 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] More accounts, more send folders, etc.
 In-Reply-To: <20100719185521.GA16709@nb-asch.cust.nbox.cz>
 References: <20100719185521.GA16709@nb-asch.cust.nbox.cz>
 Message-ID: <1279567526-sup-7758@mailer>
 
 Hi,
 
 Excerpts from Vojt?ch Aschenbrenner's message of Mon Jul 19 20:55:21 +0200 2010:
 > is it possible to configure sup to save sent messages to different
 > folders according to mail account? For example if I send mail from
 > school account save message to school/sent and if I send mail from
 > personal account save it to personal/sent?
 
 AFAIK, it's not (yet) possible.
 
 > Next think is, when writing new mail, how to specify which account use?
 > Everytime is used default account.
 
 There is a ask_for_from option that will allow you to select your
 account before composing a new mail.
 
 Also, there are patches on sup-devel that add an account-selector in
 every edit buffers.
 
 Cheers,
 
 --
 Damien Leone <damien.leone at fensalir.fr>
 
 Web: http://dleone.fensalir.fr/
 GPG: 0x82EB4DDF
 
 From marka@pobox.com  Mon Jul 19 15:47:32 2010
 From: marka@pobox.com (Mark Alexander)
 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:47:32 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] More accounts, more send folders, etc.
 In-Reply-To: <20100719185521.GA16709@nb-asch.cust.nbox.cz>
 References: <20100719185521.GA16709@nb-asch.cust.nbox.cz>
 Message-ID: <1279568336-sup-3126@r61>
 
 Excerpts from Vojt?ch Aschenbrenner's message of Mon Jul 19 14:55:21 -0400 2010:
 > is it possible to configure sup to save sent messages to different
 > folders according to mail account? For example if I send mail from
 > school account save message to school/sent and if I send mail from
 > personal account save it to personal/sent?
 
 Not sure.  Maybe somebody else can help with this.
 
 > Next think is, when writing new mail, how to specify which account use?
 > Everytime is used default account.
 
 I think you can do this with ~/.sup/hooks/before-send.rb .  Here's mine
 (actual company name replaced with "widgets"):
 
 unless header["In-reply-to"]
   if header["To"] =~ /widgets/
     header["From"] = "Mark Alexander <marka at widgets.com>"
   else
     header["From"] = "Mark Alexander <marka at pobox.com>"
   end
 end
 
 There are two corresponding accounts in ~/.sup/config.yaml.
 
 From david@rysdam.org  Mon Jul 19 22:00:22 2010
 From: david@rysdam.org (David Rysdam)
 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:00:22 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir?
 Message-ID: <1279590966-sup-4411@hero>
 
 I'm new to Maildir, so I'm not sure how this should be working.  
 
 I've got getmail fetching my POP3 mail to a Maildir and I've got sup
 pointed at that (as an additional source, not the primary one).
 
 Just tonight, I noticed that most of my mail is in /new rather than
 /cur.  Because sup isn't moving it?
 
 Also, every message in /new is repeated dozens of times.  getmail has
 been fetching my entire 30-day-long mailbox every time.  Like I said,
 I'm not sure how Maildir is supposed to work, so maybe getmail is
 doing the right thing (i.e. "fetch everything after the last thing in
 /cur") or not.
 
 I'm on a fairly old version of sup: 0.10.2.
 
 From eric+sup-talk@gerlach.ca  Mon Jul 19 22:15:17 2010
 From: eric+sup-talk@gerlach.ca (Eric Gerlach)
 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:15:17 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir?
 In-Reply-To: <1279590966-sup-4411@hero>
 References: <1279590966-sup-4411@hero>
 Message-ID: <1279591667-sup-6537@gerlach.ca>
 
 Excerpts from David Rysdam's message of Mon Jul 19 22:00:22 -0400 2010:
 > I'm new to Maildir, so I'm not sure how this should be working.  
 > 
 > I've got getmail fetching my POP3 mail to a Maildir and I've got sup
 > pointed at that (as an additional source, not the primary one).
 > 
 > Just tonight, I noticed that most of my mail is in /new rather than
 > /cur.  Because sup isn't moving it?
 > 
 > Also, every message in /new is repeated dozens of times.  getmail has
 > been fetching my entire 30-day-long mailbox every time.  Like I said,
 > I'm not sure how Maildir is supposed to work, so maybe getmail is
 > doing the right thing (i.e. "fetch everything after the last thing in
 > /cur") or not.
 > 
 > I'm on a fairly old version of sup: 0.10.2.
 
 I've also just started with sup, and though I don't know about sup's
 behaviour (I think it should be moving mail from new/ to cur/ as well)
 
 I do, however, have experience with POP and Maildirs, and it sounds like
 you might have getmail misconfigured.  Is it set to delete messages from
 the server?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Eric
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Mon Jul 19 22:46:41 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:46:41 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir?
 In-Reply-To: <1279591667-sup-6537@gerlach.ca>
 References: <1279590966-sup-4411@hero> <1279591667-sup-6537@gerlach.ca>
 Message-ID: <1279593880-sup-4595@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from Eric Gerlach's message of Mon Jul 19 22:15:17 -0400 2010:
 
 > I've also just started with sup, and though I don't know about sup's
 > behaviour (I think it should be moving mail from new/ to cur/ as
 > well)
 
 I haven't looked at the most recent Maildir changes[1], but as is
 sup's way it hasn't traditionally altered the filesystem at all.  It
 treats all mail sources as read-only, which in this case means it
 doesn't do the ln new/foo cur/foo; rm new/foo steps.
 
 HTH.
 -Ben
 
 [1] There was talk of implementing this as one step toward having sup
     play nicer with other MUA's.
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From sm@khjk.org  Tue Jul 20 05:51:45 2010
 From: sm@khjk.org (Sven Moritz Hallberg)
 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:51:45 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir?
 In-Reply-To: <1279593880-sup-4595@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 References: <1279590966-sup-4411@hero> <1279591667-sup-6537@gerlach.ca>
 	<1279593880-sup-4595@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 Message-ID: <1279618763-sup-4286@khjk.org>
 
 My humble personal opinion:
 
 Excerpts from Ben Walton's message of 2010-07-20 04:46:41 +0200:
 > > I've also just started with sup, and though I don't know about sup's
 > > behaviour (I think it should be moving mail from new/ to cur/ as
 > > well)
 > 
 > I haven't looked at the most recent Maildir changes[1], but as is
 > sup's way it hasn't traditionally altered the filesystem at all.  It
 > treats all mail sources as read-only, which in this case means it
 > doesn't do the ln new/foo cur/foo; rm new/foo steps.
 
 Guys, you should really implement this. This is not a policy (touch filesystem
 or not) issue, but a compliance issue. As it stands, sup is basically violating
 the Maildir "standard". Note that moving mails away from new has no semantic
 meaning. The mail doesn't become "read" or unavailable to other MUAs or
 anything. It's part of Maildir's access/concurrency design.
 
 And the fact that sup doesn't "play nice" with other MUAs is in part a direct
 artifact of this misbehaviour because others (correctly) move the mails out
 from under sup's nose. If sup did this as it should, the files would stay in
 place modulo renaming wrt. the file flags ("read" etc.), but that is another
 issue which can be mitigated in another step. (And to an extent, this issue
 exists with all MUAs because the format of the flag fields isn't standardized.)
 
 -pesco
 
 From damien.leone@fensalir.fr  Tue Jul 20 07:07:47 2010
 From: damien.leone@fensalir.fr (Damien Leone)
 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:07:47 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir?
 In-Reply-To: <1279618763-sup-4286@khjk.org>
 References: <1279590966-sup-4411@hero> <1279591667-sup-6537@gerlach.ca>
 	<1279593880-sup-4595@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 	<1279618763-sup-4286@khjk.org>
 Message-ID: <1279623541-sup-4351@mailer>
 
 Hi,
 
 Excerpts from Sven Moritz Hallberg's message of Tue Jul 20 11:51:45 +0200 2010:
 > Guys, you should really implement this. This is not a policy (touch filesystem
 > or not) issue, but a compliance issue. As it stands, sup is basically violating
 > the Maildir "standard". Note that moving mails away from new has no semantic
 > meaning. The mail doesn't become "read" or unavailable to other MUAs or
 > anything. It's part of Maildir's access/concurrency design.
 > 
 > And the fact that sup doesn't "play nice" with other MUAs is in part a direct
 > artifact of this misbehaviour because others (correctly) move the mails out
 > from under sup's nose. If sup did this as it should, the files would stay in
 > place modulo renaming wrt. the file flags ("read" etc.), but that is another
 > issue which can be mitigated in another step. (And to an extent, this issue
 > exists with all MUAs because the format of the flag fields isn't standardized.)
 
 All of this is getting supported in the maildir-sync [0] branch that I
 encourage you to test and review so it can be quickly merged into the
 master branch. :)
 
 Cheers,
 
 [0] http://www.mail-archive.com/sup-devel at rubyforge.org/msg00566.html
 
 --
 Damien Leone <damien.leone at fensalir.fr>
 
 Web: http://dleone.fensalir.fr/
 GPG: 0x82EB4DDF
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 From sm@khjk.org  Tue Jul 20 10:37:57 2010
 From: sm@khjk.org (Sven Moritz Hallberg)
 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:37:57 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir?
 In-Reply-To: <1279623541-sup-4351@mailer>
 References: <1279590966-sup-4411@hero> <1279591667-sup-6537@gerlach.ca>
 	<1279593880-sup-4595@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 	<1279618763-sup-4286@khjk.org> <1279623541-sup-4351@mailer>
 Message-ID: <1279636271-sup-2393@khjk.org>
 
 Excerpts from Damien Leone's message of 2010-07-20 13:07:47 +0200:
 > Excerpts from Sven Moritz Hallberg's message of Tue Jul 20 11:51:45 +0200 2010:
 > > Guys, you should really implement this. This is not a policy (touch filesystem
 > > or not) issue, but a compliance issue. As it stands, sup is basically violating
 > > the Maildir "standard". Note that moving mails away from new has no semantic
 > > meaning. The mail doesn't become "read" or unavailable to other MUAs or
 > > anything. It's part of Maildir's access/concurrency design.
 > > 
 > > And the fact that sup doesn't "play nice" with other MUAs is in part a direct
 > > artifact of this misbehaviour because others (correctly) move the mails out
 > > from under sup's nose. If sup did this as it should, the files would stay in
 > > place modulo renaming wrt. the file flags ("read" etc.), but that is another
 > > issue which can be mitigated in another step. (And to an extent, this issue
 > > exists with all MUAs because the format of the flag fields isn't standardized.)
 > 
 > All of this is getting supported in the maildir-sync [0] branch that I
 > encourage you to test and review so it can be quickly merged into the
 > master branch. :)
 
 Ah, thanks for that! I'll try to check it out!
 
 From david@rysdam.org  Tue Jul 20 10:52:42 2010
 From: david@rysdam.org (David Rysdam)
 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:52:42 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir?
 In-Reply-To: <1279590966-sup-4411@hero>
 References: <1279590966-sup-4411@hero>
 Message-ID: <1279637473-sup-2420@hero>
 
 An agent or agents purporting to be David Rysdam said:
 > Also, every message in /new is repeated dozens of times.  getmail has
 > been fetching my entire 30-day-long mailbox every time.  Like I said,
 > I'm not sure how Maildir is supposed to work, so maybe getmail is
 > doing the right thing (i.e. "fetch everything after the last thing in
 > /cur") or not.
 
 OK, I've looked at this a little more.  I think getmail is either
 misbehaving or misconfigured.  The POP3 behavior can't be predicated
 on what is in the Maildir for multiple reasons, therefore sup's
 behavior in the Maildir (right or wrong) can't be the source of this
 issue.
 
 From david@rysdam.org  Wed Jul 21 14:33:35 2010
 From: david@rysdam.org (David Rysdam)
 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:33:35 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] No imap support in sup-config
 In-Reply-To: <1278862607-sup-5940@hero>
 References: <4C39B323.4040000@gmail.com>
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 An agent or agents purporting to be David Rysdam said:
 > Excerpts from Ben Walton's message of Sun Jul 11 08:20:53 -0400 2010:
 > > Excerpts from Micha? Kawalec's message of Sun Jul 11 08:03:47 -0400 2010:
 > > 
 > > Hi Michal,
 > > 
 > > > I recently installed sup with gem install sup, however a lack of
 > > > imap while doing sup-config prevents me from using it to more
 > > > serious tasks than looking on different buffers. Is there any way to
 > > > fix it?
 > > 
 > > IMAP support in sup is deprecated.  It just didn't work well with the
 > > way sup wants to view the mail stores.  People that have mail
 > > available by IMAP are using offlineimap to retrieve it locally to
 > > Maildir's and then adding Maildir sources to sup.
 > 
 > Heh, I was just coming here to ask about something related.
 > 
 > I noticed the IMAP support was gone, which is sad, but OK.  So I set
 > up getmail to get my mail.  But how do I migrate to that?
 > 
 > I got the mail into a maildir and I added that as a source and I did a
 > sup-sync --changed source1 source2.  But how do I remove the IMAP
 > source?  Just removing it from sources.yaml makes sup crash.  (This is
 > 0.10.2.)  I see something in the wiki about removing index entries,
 > but the instructions are for ferret instead of xapian.
 
 OK, so I figured out what to do.
 
 1) Backup (or maybe "export" would be a better term for this usage)
 your sup index.
 
 2) Set up your offlineimap stuff.
 
 3) Move .sup aside and sup-config again, but choose the Maildir that
 offlineimap is writing to.
 
 3b) Copy any config stuff (colors, hooks, contacts.txt, etc) from the
 old .sup back in.
 
 4) Restore the backup.
 
 Ta-da!
 
 From david@rysdam.org  Thu Jul 22 11:12:36 2010
 From: david@rysdam.org (David Rysdam)
 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:12:36 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] color customization
 Message-ID: <1279811550-sup-7833@hero>
 
 I've customized my colors a bit, but there's a couple things I can't
 find.  How do I configure the color the movable horizontal "bar" (I
 know there's a term for this but I don't remember it)?  And more
 importantly, how do I configure the color the text highlighted by that
 bar?  Like, I have my new messages set to red but when the bar is on
 them they are black.  I want them red *always*.
 
 From david@rysdam.org  Mon Jul 26 22:02:27 2010
 From: david@rysdam.org (David Rysdam)
 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:02:27 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] color customization
 In-Reply-To: <1279811550-sup-7833@hero>
 References: <1279811550-sup-7833@hero>
 Message-ID: <1280195847-sup-7116@hero>
 
 An agent or agents purporting to be David Rysdam said:
 > I've customized my colors a bit, but there's a couple things I can't
 > find.  How do I configure the color the movable horizontal "bar" (I
 > know there's a term for this but I don't remember it)?  And more
 > importantly, how do I configure the color the text highlighted by that
 > bar?  Like, I have my new messages set to red but when the bar is on
 > them they are black.  I want them red *always*.
 
 Replying to myself again, for the benefit of others and after two
 nights of hacking the code to try to figure this out:
 
 Each of the colors takes a property called "highlight" that is the
 name of another color in colors.yaml.  That color's fg/bg indicate how
 it should display when "highlighted" by the cursor.  For example:
 
 :index_new:
   :highlight: index_new_highlight
   :attrs:
   - bold
   :fg: red
   :bg: default
 :index_new_highlight:
   :fg: red
   :bg: cyan
 
 In this example, new mails are red in the thread view on a white
 background (for me) and when highlighted by the cursor they are red on
 a cyan background.
 
 This works with the code currently in the repository but not with
 .10.2, the default version on Ubuntu.  Since .10.2 also doesn't use
 ncursesw by default, I'm going to switch the repository pretty soon.
 Or maybe a few versions back to avoid any Maildir unpleasantness...
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Fri Jul 30 21:47:56 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:47:56 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] new mail library
 Message-ID: <1280540740-sup-9428@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I just found this (seemingly) awesome new mail handling library.  I
 know that rmail has lots of flaws and there has been previously
 expressed sentiment that something better might be nice.  Have a look
 at:
 
 http://github.com/mikel/mail
 
 I just whipped up a quick little script that uses it and it's quite
 nice.  It pulls in actionsupport, so it's not a lightweight gem by any
 means.
 
 HTH.
 -Ben
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From ezyang@MIT.EDU  Fri Jul 30 23:28:44 2010
 From: ezyang@MIT.EDU (Edward Z. Yang)
 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:28:44 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] Behavior for sent messages
 Message-ID: <1280546878-sup-5384@ezyang>
 
 Does anyone know when the default behavior for sent messages became
 'Archive automatically'?  I've found keeping then in the inbox was
 a good reminder for following up in the case of lack of response,
 so at least making this configurable would be nice.
 
 Cheers,
 Edward
 
 From hollunder@lavabit.com  Sat Jul 31 05:00:06 2010
 From: hollunder@lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=)
 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:00:06 +0200
 Subject: [sup-talk] Behavior for sent messages
 In-Reply-To: <1280546878-sup-5384@ezyang>
 References: <1280546878-sup-5384@ezyang>
 Message-ID: <1280566713-sup-8235@eris>
 
 Excerpts from Edward Z. Yang's message of 2010-07-31 05:28:44 +0200:
 > Does anyone know when the default behavior for sent messages became
 > 'Archive automatically'?  I've found keeping then in the inbox was
 > a good reminder for following up in the case of lack of response,
 > so at least making this configurable would be nice.
 > 
 > Cheers,
 > Edward
 
 They are kept in the inbox with 0.11. All I know.
 -- 
 Philipp
 
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 und alle Fragen offen." Bertolt Brecht, Der gute Mensch von Sezuan
 
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Sat Jul 31 07:25:38 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 07:25:38 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] Behavior for sent messages
 In-Reply-To: <1280546878-sup-5384@ezyang>
 References: <1280546878-sup-5384@ezyang>
 Message-ID: <1280575476-sup-2567@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from Edward Z. Yang's message of Fri Jul 30 23:28:44 -0400 2010:
 
 > Does anyone know when the default behavior for sent messages became
 > 'Archive automatically'?  I've found keeping then in the inbox was a
 > good reminder for following up in the case of lack of response, so
 > at least making this configurable would be nice.
 
 I'm running pretty close to the tip of git/next and that's not the
 behaviour here.  There are times, when using Maildir that the sent
 message doesn't get added immediately, but it always pops up at the
 next poll.
 
 HTH.
 -Ben
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302
 
 
 From ezyang@MIT.EDU  Sat Jul 31 22:06:34 2010
 From: ezyang@MIT.EDU (Edward Z. Yang)
 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:06:34 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] Behavior for sent messages
 In-Reply-To: <1280575476-sup-2567@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 References: <1280546878-sup-5384@ezyang>
 	<1280575476-sup-2567@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 Message-ID: <1280628309-sup-7092@ezyang>
 
 Excerpts from Ben Walton's message of Sat Jul 31 07:25:38 -0400 2010:
 > I'm running pretty close to the tip of git/next and that's not the
 > behaviour here.  There are times, when using Maildir that the sent
 > message doesn't get added immediately, but it always pops up at the
 > next poll.
 
 Hello Ben,
 
 I tested your hypothesis and noted that the messages did not pop up
 with a poll.
 
 Since this behavior does not seem intentional, I guess it's a regression
 caused by some combination of factors (possibly the new backsync branch?)
 I'll try to reproduce on a clean Maildir with sup commit 900768918490a1040b55e2216f7f5429b2dadf84
 
 Cheers,
 Edward
 
 From bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca  Sat Jul 31 22:15:15 2010
 From: bwalton@artsci.utoronto.ca (Ben Walton)
 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:15:15 -0400
 Subject: [sup-talk] Behavior for sent messages
 In-Reply-To: <1280628309-sup-7092@ezyang>
 References: <1280546878-sup-5384@ezyang>
 	<1280575476-sup-2567@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 	<1280628309-sup-7092@ezyang>
 Message-ID: <1280628833-sup-7698@pinkfloyd.chass.utoronto.ca>
 
 Excerpts from Edward Z. Yang's message of Sat Jul 31 22:06:34 -0400 2010:
 
 Hi Edward,
 
 > Since this behavior does not seem intentional, I guess it's a
 > regression caused by some combination of factors (possibly the new
 > backsync branch?)  I'll try to reproduce on a clean Maildir with sup
 > commit 900768918490a1040b55e2216f7f5429b2dadf84
 
 Ok, that's interesting.  If it helps, I'm running on 3f9d7d9, with my
 conditional Symbol#to_proc patch added...I haven't done a pull since
 then although the patch was merged.
 
 This might provide you a useful range for a bisect though...
 
 HTH.
 -Ben
 
 --
 Ben Walton
 Systems Programmer - CHASS
 University of Toronto
 C:416.407.5610 | W:416.978.4302