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[64.147.123.26]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6si639316edr.3.2020.06.23.12.31.08 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ipv2.lst@parris.org designates 64.147.123.26 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.147.123.26; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@parris.org header.s=fm1 header.b=C82aZHBr; dkim=pass header.i=@messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=EWvW7H58; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ipv2.lst@parris.org designates 64.147.123.26 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ipv2.lst@parris.org Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailnew.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65DFAB8; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 15:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 23 Jun 2020 15:31:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=parris.org; h= content-type:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:content-transfer-encoding; s=fm1; bh=uNr1yTrEiLcBHDv INEmtuuco6vWniU3ahhJNtkjc9rY=; b=C82aZHBrZg2HmlbPMyofK8pdM5bec9z YnRmZBKeCT4zp0WwzxzBpROg7mYFVwakYqcpH1Kpr6VBK1BdvueL3slA3TSHvMk5 sAqqSYqTrZ+wbT1ccV3CTyg1nwRoUAd7nV+6VE3c5p8uTJ7YNfjL4HCjP1nlT8jd JMgUVvJ5ybUg59tyYCmUn/lbIcg63rJ5J+byBZH0jqn/V13DOvCJyWfirlfaL65k CILppmShpELReZqNAujU/9RoiAZxI3JMhOGlITGnz+FguZ163lp+TCCy5Cc0l2YY a8QWZCXvEHq50tb++cbQWGJmBvXS7Fm0z49Y+8HNXOT7adKuNi/pqRQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:references:subject:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm3; bh=uNr1yTrEiLcBHDvINEmtuuco6vWniU3ahhJNtkjc9rY=; b=EWvW7H58 aehrOH3sd9Ow+XRtl559lLXyTG1N8IGbX+/FrTgZGtCT/VInM2xotJVNUVugzI8l 3atZLNBnbtyA+kYcY1q9Cuwob2QaUh/TxgUqo83TSVgvP9hqwHJn0fFdywYNonic zuh8sYNRBjMyJkzNvwe4oAwyBMFCkED57Hbz49HPwptdnBk5MlDgXTLK42C2u8sH pi8D570W04O0HOa0yMMmofBJYOUoUHHT1vnGbuEv5GuULt06KOr0UxtATJjMoxey QnDlqDIh+wulrYJM36oemhbHpPwUeJbeAROcr+CNXUjYLRrsGqJAsvy55TsDBTAv gj5ky2n1dUkSmw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrudekhedgudduudcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurheptgfhvffujghffffkfgfgsehtke ertddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpefkrghinhcurfgrrhhrihhsuceoihhpvhdvrdhlshhtsehp rghrrhhishdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepuefhgefhffeiheeutdeviedvhf egjeffieffkeetfeffvdevjeevhedtvdffveehnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgihhthhhusgdr tghomhdprghrtghhlhhinhhugidrohhrghenucfkphepiedvrdefrdeigedrgedunecuve hluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepihhpvhdvrdhl shhtsehprghrrhhishdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Received: from localhost (unknown [62.3.64.41]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 76E793067540; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 15:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: Iain Parris To: Willem Cc: supmua Subject: Re: [sup] Re: sup is up In-reply-to: References: Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 20:31:04 +0100 Message-Id: <1592934707-sup-1570@ceres> User-Agent: Sup/0.22.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Willem, Excerpts from Willem's message of 2020-06-23 11:12:50 +0200: > In our recent communication I expressed my great appreciation when I > heard that my favorite email client has been rescued from a sad > extinction. I have been using sup off and on for more than 8 years and > in the mean time I have tried many others like mutt, mu4e, notmuch etc, > but I keep coming back to sup as it simply works best for the way I like > doing email. > > I am sending this follow up to the mailing list in the hope that there > is additional interest in discussion about sup and the various linux > distributions. Thank you very much again for emailing, and for kicking off the discussion about distributions / platforms. It's great to hear from another happy sup user. I am exactly the same - I keep coming back to sup. :-) > But, because of the problem that sup works only on ruby 2.3.3 and Arch > uses a newer version of ruby, one has to use a workaround that is > thankfully fully described on the Sup-ArchWiki which then directs you to > the RVM-ArchWiki with good instructions for installing RVM and then sup. > > This RVM workaround is referred to in the Sup-ArchWiki as a temporary > install, and I discovered why; one of the draw backs is that after some > linux kernel updates sup stops working and an alias needs to be added to > ~/.bashrc again. The ArchWiki documentation is very good, and has often helped me in the past because it is regularly widely applicable and clear documentation, even for users like me of other Linux distributions. The key patch required for sup to run on later Ruby versions is - credit to Dan. This patch will be included in the upcoming next sup release, but in the meantime I've checked on Arch Linux in a VM, and found a method to apply the patch and run sup successfully using system Ruby. Pending the next sup release, I've updated ArchWiki right now with the new workaround instructions for Arch Linux - and hope that it helps you, and possibly others too! Please do let me know if that works for you. > This is why when you mentioned in your item (4) "Collaborate with major > downstream packagers"; I thought it would be great if you included Arch > Linux in this group as I believe sup fits in perfectly with the Arch > Linux philosophy, one item of which is minimal bloat. I am currently > using sup on Arch Linux with the i3 tiling window manager which I really > enjoy; cutting edge and bloat free, although I still have to find the > time to sort out some sup hooks. Sounds good - I'll add Arch Linux to my mental list of distributions. I also have a note on my to-do list to update the sup wiki with recent installation instructions for various platforms. Does anyone else reading have any requests for other distribution or platform? So far on my mental list is Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, ?MacPorts. Kind regards, Iain