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* sup is up
@ 2020-06-14 22:08 Iain Parris
  2020-06-15  6:57 ` Gaute Hope
  2020-06-16  7:31 ` Dan Callaghan
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Iain Parris @ 2020-06-14 22:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: supmua; +Cc: Dan Callaghan, Gaute Hope

Greetings fellow Suppers,

tl;dr - sup had become inactive and unmaintained. But it still has kept
a cult following of delighted users over the years (source: I am one!),
and it is now going to be maintained again.

This mailing list has been inactive for a long time.
<supmua@googlegroups.com> for the "sup" mail client,
<https://sup-heliotrope.github.io/>.

I would first like to say a huge thank you to all of the sup
contributors over the years, and in particular special thanks to William
Morgan (original creator) and Gaute Hope (took over most maintenance in
2013, though now has a focus on notmuch/astroid - different email client
ecosystem, and all originally inspired by sup).

I am a long-time very happy sup user. It has been my primary mail client
for over 11 years.

I found out a few days ago that sup was no longer being maintained,
after spotting that the "sup-mail" package had disappeared in the latest
Ubuntu release (focal, 20.04 LTS).

I contacted Gaute Hope (@gauteh on GitHub, previous maintainer) and Dan
Callaghan (@danc86 on GitHub, owner of the most recently active sup fork
on GitHub).

After discovering each other and realising we aren't the only people
interested in keeping sup going, Dan and I have volunteered to maintain
sup once more, and Gaute has very kindly facilitated passing on the
baton. A huge *thank you* again to both of you, Dan and Gaute.

To be upfront about goals, however: Dan & I are looking to be extremely
conservative with respect to new features. We are interested in fixing
what's broken, and keeping it fixed, rather than adding new features.
This is because we are both long-time very happy users with the existing
feature set. We aren't presently seeking new feature development, or to
accept PRs for new features.

The current tentative plan is:

    (0) Fix failing Travis CI build. Done. The build is now green again
        for the first time in five years, and sup has its first recent commits:
        <https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/commits/develop>.

    (1) Incrementally modernise the build. Likely to require applying
        incremental code fixes. For example, we would like to officially
        support all current Ruby versions (2.5, 2.6, 2.7). See:
        <https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/issues/552>.

    (2) Update documentation, e.g., to remove the "no longer maintained"
        notice, fix broken links, and provide up-to-date installation
        information for the most common distributions.

    (3) Create a new 0.23 release of sup - the first release since
        0.22.1 five years ago (2015-06-18). To be released on GitHub and
        published as a new version of the "sup" Ruby gem,
        <https://rubygems.org/gems/sup>.

    (4) Collaborate with major downstream packagers, for example perhaps
        (not a definitive list):
            - Debian & Ubuntu (apt)
            - Fedora (yum)
            - MacPorts?

Interested? Comments? Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions? It would be
*wonderful* to hear from you all. I'm sure there are many other happy
users out there, and this list is for the community as well as for
development. :-)

Do feel free to reply here on this mailing list, and/or to contribute in
any other way (pull requests, GitHub issues, or any other way!).

Dan, Gaute - I hope I have accurately summarised our conversations.
Would you like to add anything? :-)

Brief pointers:
- sup on GitHub: <https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup>
- This mailing list: <supmua@googlegroups.com>
- Mailing list archives: <https://groups.google.com/d/forum/supmua>
- Dan Callaghan <djc@djc.id.au>, @danc86 <https://github.com/danc86>
- Iain Parris <ipv2.lst@parris.org>, @IPv2 <https://github.com/IPv2>

(Admin info: Gaute has now setup Dan with access to sup on GitHub, the
sup gem on RubyGems, and this mailing list.)

Kind regards,
Iain


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* [sup] Re: sup is up
@ 2020-06-23  9:12 Willem
  2020-06-23 19:31 ` Iain Parris
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Willem @ 2020-06-23  9:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: supmua; +Cc: Iain Parris, Dan Callaghan

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Hi Iain (and all sup fans)

In our recent communication I expressed my great appreciation when I 
heard that my favorite email client has been rescued from a sad 
extinction. I have been using sup off and on for more than 8 years and 
in the mean time I have tried many others like mutt, mu4e, notmuch etc, 
but I keep coming back to sup as it simply works best for the way I like 
doing email.

I am sending this follow up to the mailing list in the hope that there 
is additional interest in discussion about sup and the various linux 
distributions.

When I first started using sup it was not available via Arch Linux, so I 
found it easier (mostly because of my own lack of programming 
knowledge...) to install into Lubuntu and later Debian. More recently I 
have been using Arch Linux so I checked the ArchWiki and was pleased to 
see sup there!

But, because of the problem that sup works only on ruby 2.3.3 and Arch 
uses a newer version of ruby, one has to use a workaround that is 
thankfully fully described on the Sup-ArchWiki which then directs you to 
the RVM-ArchWiki with good instructions for installing RVM and then sup.

This RVM workaround is referred to in the Sup-ArchWiki as a temporary 
install, and I discovered why; one of the draw backs is that after some 
linux kernel updates sup stops working and an alias needs to be added to 
~/.bashrc again.

This is why when you mentioned in your item (4) "Collaborate with major 
downstream packagers"; I thought it would be great if you included Arch 
Linux in this group as I believe sup fits in perfectly with the Arch 
Linux philosophy, one item of which is minimal bloat. I am currently 
using sup on Arch Linux with the i3 tiling window manager which I really 
enjoy; cutting edge and bloat free, although I still have to find the 
time to sort out some sup hooks.

I believe many other dedicated sup users would find this sort of set up 
very satisfying!!

So, thanks again Iain
Cheers
Willem

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2020-06-16  7:31 ` Dan Callaghan
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