* [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
@ 2010-01-06 11:38 Anirudh Sanjeev
2010-01-06 12:56 ` Eric Sherman
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From: Anirudh Sanjeev @ 2010-01-06 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sup-talk
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Hi,
This is my first real email with sup! I configured sup to work with my
Gmail(hosted apps) account as follows:
1. Offlineimap fetches email and saves to Maildir (I am behind a very
slow connection, I need to mirror email)
2. The appropriate Maildir is added as a source in sup. Specifically,
the Gmail.[All Mail] Folder, which has "cur".
3. I configured msmtp to be used for sending email instead of sendmail.
So far I can read all my emails, and the experience is great. I have a
few minor questions:
1. When I send email via sup, I see the same email as an unread message
in my Gmail web frontend in the Inbox folder rather than the sent
folder.
2. Any changes in sup aren't reflected in my web frontend. I am guessing
this is a problem with my offlineimap configuration. Deleting or
archiving an email doesn't change anything in the web client.
3. I am unable to work with the drafts already existing in Gmail and the
web interface is unaware of the drafts I have here. A suggestion on
how to fix this would be awesome!.
4. Any other suggestions on how to make the experience with offlineimap
would be awesome! I initially used offlineimap's imap server
mirroring feature, but I found putting the emails in Maildir format
made it a lot easier.
I've pasted some of my config files here:
1. My config.yaml - http://antileet.pastebin.com/m3209dc32
2. My sources.yaml - http://antileet.pastebin.com/m6fc935ee
3. My .msmtprc - http://antileet.pastebin.com/m564eafc3
4. My .offlineimaprc - http://antileet.pastebin.com/m3ac306b6
Please help me get sup working! This is exactly what I've been looking
for. I promise to write up a detailed tutorial for the Wiki if I can get
it to work :)
Thanks,
Anirudh
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* Re: [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
2010-01-06 11:38 [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing Anirudh Sanjeev
@ 2010-01-06 12:56 ` Eric Sherman
2010-01-06 19:09 ` Anirudh Sanjeev
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From: Eric Sherman @ 2010-01-06 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sup-talk
Excerpts from Anirudh Sanjeev's message of Wed Jan 06 06:38:20 -0500 2010:
> 1. Offlineimap fetches email and saves to Maildir (I am behind a very
> slow connection, I need to mirror email)
> 2. The appropriate Maildir is added as a source in sup. Specifically,
> the Gmail.[All Mail] Folder, which has "cur".
> 3. I configured msmtp to be used for sending email instead of sendmail.
My setup is similar.
> 1. When I send email via sup, I see the same email as an unread message
> in my Gmail web frontend in the Inbox folder rather than the sent
> folder.
It looks like in your sup config.yaml you're only using one of your two
accounts to send mail from. You're probably seeing messages sent from
anirudh@anirudhsanjeev.org in your andy@ninjagod.com gmail interface?
I would add the ninjagod account to your sup config.yaml and take a look at
the wiki [MultipleAccountsAndReply][1] and the reply-from/before-edit
[Hooks][2].
[1]: http://sup.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?MultipleAccountsAndReply
[2]: http://sup.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Hooks
> 2. Any changes in sup aren't reflected in my web frontend. I am guessing
> this is a problem with my offlineimap configuration. Deleting or
> archiving an email doesn't change anything in the web client.
This is because sup is primarily concerned with its own index, and does not
at present manipulate its sources by default. Though there is
sup-sync-back which can propagate deleted messages or marked-as-spam back
to sources--it only supports mbox at present.
The fact that you're not seeing changes is not your fault--sup just doesn't
do it.
> 3. I am unable to work with the drafts already existing in Gmail and the
> web interface is unaware of the drafts I have here. A suggestion on
> how to fix this would be awesome!.
You could add your gmail drafts as another source to get them into sup,
though sup won't actually treat those messages as drafts and you won't see
sup drafts in gmail.
> 4. Any other suggestions on how to make the experience with offlineimap
> would be awesome! I initially used offlineimap's imap server
> mirroring feature, but I found putting the emails in Maildir format
> made it a lot easier.
If sup actually manipulated its sources, you wouldn't have these issues,
but it doesn't. So aside from the missing account in your sup config.yaml,
I'd say your setup is fine and is working as it should.
Sup doesn't play well with other interfaces manipulating its
sources--you'll be doing the sup-sync dance a lot. I just stopped using
other mail clients with my sources and I've been happy ever since.
Good luck,
-eric
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* Re: [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
2010-01-06 12:56 ` Eric Sherman
@ 2010-01-06 19:09 ` Anirudh Sanjeev
2010-01-14 14:07 ` William Morgan
2010-01-16 17:21 ` Scott Henson
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From: Anirudh Sanjeev @ 2010-01-06 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric Sherman; +Cc: sup-talk
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Hi!
Excerpts from Eric Sherman's message of Wed Jan 06 18:26:20 +0530 2010:
> I would add the ninjagod account to your sup config.yaml and take a look at
> the wiki [MultipleAccountsAndReply][1] and the reply-from/before-edit
> [Hooks][2].
That helped, and my outgoing email seems to be sorted out. Thank you.
> The fact that you're not seeing changes is not your fault--sup just doesn't
> do it.
Oh, that's too bad. Are there any plans to support syncing with IMAP or
Maildir anytime soon? Either way, looks like I'll have to quit the Web
interface and Evolution cold turkey and stick with sup!
Since sup supports sync with mbox, is there any utility that takes IMAP
and packs it into mbox format, or maybe converts Maildir messages into
mbox?
Thanks!
Anirudh
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* Re: [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
2010-01-06 19:09 ` Anirudh Sanjeev
@ 2010-01-14 14:07 ` William Morgan
2010-01-14 14:30 ` Justin Mason
2010-01-17 16:57 ` Anirudh Sanjeev
2010-01-16 17:21 ` Scott Henson
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From: William Morgan @ 2010-01-14 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sup-talk
Reformatted excerpts from Anirudh Sanjeev's message of 2010-01-06:
> Since sup supports sync with mbox, is there any utility that takes IMAP
> and packs it into mbox format, or maybe converts Maildir messages into
> mbox?
Fetchmail for the first, and I think there's probably and md2mbox or
something out there for the second.
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* Re: [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
2010-01-14 14:07 ` William Morgan
@ 2010-01-14 14:30 ` Justin Mason
2010-01-14 14:32 ` Justin Mason
2010-01-17 16:57 ` Anirudh Sanjeev
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From: Justin Mason @ 2010-01-14 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: William Morgan; +Cc: sup-talk
for the first, I've used fetchmail to do that:
: 576...; cat fetchmailrc
poll hostname.domain.com proto IMAP
user "jmason" pass "[your imap password]" is "jmason"
folder "name_of_folder"
ssl
fetchall
keep
no rewrite
expunge 100
mda "/usr/bin/procmail -f %F /home/jmason/Mail/procmailrc";
: 577...; cat procmailrc
MAILDIR=$HOME
DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox
:0
$DEFAULT
and it'll append it all to ~/mbox.
--j.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 14:07, William Morgan <wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net> wrote:
> Reformatted excerpts from Anirudh Sanjeev's message of 2010-01-06:
>> Since sup supports sync with mbox, is there any utility that takes IMAP
>> and packs it into mbox format, or maybe converts Maildir messages into
>> mbox?
>
> Fetchmail for the first, and I think there's probably and md2mbox or
> something out there for the second.
> --
> William <wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net>
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* Re: [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
2010-01-14 14:30 ` Justin Mason
@ 2010-01-14 14:32 ` Justin Mason
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From: Justin Mason @ 2010-01-14 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: William Morgan; +Cc: sup-talk
hmm. apologies for the additional line breaks; a cut and paste bug
with Synergy. here's fixed versions:
: 576...; cat fetchmailrc
poll hostname.domain.com proto IMAP
user "jmason" pass "[your imap password]" is "jmason"
folder "name_of_folder"
ssl
fetchall
keep
no rewrite
expunge 100
mda "/usr/bin/procmail -f %F /home/jmason/Mail/procmailrc";
: 577...; cat procmailrc
MAILDIR=$HOME
DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox
:0
$DEFAULT
--j.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 14:30, Justin Mason <jm@jmason.org> wrote:
> for the first, I've used fetchmail to do that:
>
> : 576...; cat fetchmailrc
>
>
>
> poll hostname.domain.com proto IMAP
>
> user "jmason" pass "[your imap password]" is "jmason"
>
> folder "name_of_folder"
>
> ssl
>
> fetchall
>
> keep
>
> no rewrite
>
> expunge 100
>
> mda "/usr/bin/procmail -f %F /home/jmason/Mail/procmailrc";
>
>
>
> : 577...; cat procmailrc
>
> MAILDIR=$HOME
> DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox
>
>
>
> :0
>
> $DEFAULT
>
>
>
>
>
> and it'll append it all to ~/mbox.
>
> --j.
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 14:07, William Morgan <wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net> wrote:
>> Reformatted excerpts from Anirudh Sanjeev's message of 2010-01-06:
>>> Since sup supports sync with mbox, is there any utility that takes IMAP
>>> and packs it into mbox format, or maybe converts Maildir messages into
>>> mbox?
>>
>> Fetchmail for the first, and I think there's probably and md2mbox or
>> something out there for the second.
>> --
>> William <wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> sup-talk@rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/sup-talk
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --j.
>
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* Re: [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
2010-01-06 19:09 ` Anirudh Sanjeev
2010-01-14 14:07 ` William Morgan
@ 2010-01-16 17:21 ` Scott Henson
2010-01-16 20:04 ` Tero Tilus
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From: Scott Henson @ 2010-01-16 17:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Anirudh Sanjeev; +Cc: sup-talk
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Anirudh Sanjeev <anirudh@anirudhsanjeev.org
> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Excerpts from Eric Sherman's message of Wed Jan 06 18:26:20 +0530 2010:
> > I would add the ninjagod account to your sup config.yaml and take a look
> at
> > the wiki [MultipleAccountsAndReply][1] and the reply-from/before-edit
> > [Hooks][2].
> That helped, and my outgoing email seems to be sorted out. Thank you.
>
> > The fact that you're not seeing changes is not your fault--sup just
> doesn't
> > do it.
> Oh, that's too bad. Are there any plans to support syncing with IMAP or
> Maildir anytime soon? Either way, looks like I'll have to quit the Web
> interface and Evolution cold turkey and stick with sup!
>
> Since sup supports sync with mbox, is there any utility that takes IMAP
> and packs it into mbox format, or maybe converts Maildir messages into
> mbox?
>
>
I'm currently working on getting sup to support syncing back to maildirs.
I'm using a setup a lot like yours, with offlineimap syncing with an imap
server.
I've currently got a local branch that makes sup use maildir ids as the
internal sup id. I've almost got sup to the point that it will sync back
changes to a maildir. I have a few more bugs to work out, but I intend to
post a patch relatively soon.
--
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* Re: [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
2010-01-16 17:21 ` Scott Henson
@ 2010-01-16 20:04 ` Tero Tilus
2010-01-17 14:54 ` William Morgan
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From: Tero Tilus @ 2010-01-16 20:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sup-talk
Scott Henson, 2010-01-16 19:21:
> I'm currently working on getting sup to support syncing back to maildirs.
Wonderful! I love you! :-*
> I've currently got a local branch that makes sup use maildir ids as the
> internal sup id.
Why would you need to do that? Afaik storing the maildir id to index
should be enough so that you can map sup index back to maildir. Am I
overlooking somethin here?
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* Re: [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
2010-01-16 20:04 ` Tero Tilus
@ 2010-01-17 14:54 ` William Morgan
2010-01-17 17:52 ` Scott Henson
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From: William Morgan @ 2010-01-17 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sup-talk
Reformatted excerpts from Tero Tilus's message of 2010-01-16:
> Why would you need to do that? Afaik storing the maildir id to index
> should be enough so that you can map sup index back to maildir. Am I
> overlooking somethin here?
Yeah, there's a Maildir#filename_for_id that you should be able to use.
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* Re: [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
2010-01-14 14:07 ` William Morgan
2010-01-14 14:30 ` Justin Mason
@ 2010-01-17 16:57 ` Anirudh Sanjeev
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From: Anirudh Sanjeev @ 2010-01-17 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sup-talk
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Hi,
I wrote a small document describing how I got sup to work with Gmail,
since there isn't any "definitive" guide on it.
I really want some review and feedback on the text:
http://sup.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?GmailOfflineImapSmtp
Thank you,
Anirudh
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* Re: [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
2010-01-17 14:54 ` William Morgan
@ 2010-01-17 17:52 ` Scott Henson
2010-01-17 20:42 ` William Morgan
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From: Scott Henson @ 2010-01-17 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: William Morgan; +Cc: sup-talk
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On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:54 AM, William Morgan <wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net>wrote:
> Reformatted excerpts from Tero Tilus's message of 2010-01-16:
> > Why would you need to do that? Afaik storing the maildir id to index
> > should be enough so that you can map sup index back to maildir. Am I
> > overlooking somethin here?
>
> Yeah, there's a Maildir#filename_for_id that you should be able to use.
>
>
Using the maildir id as the sup id allows sup to play a little fast and
loose with the access of mail in the maildir. I've got a 15% speed increase
(measured by sup-sync --all). This also allows sup to play nice with other
mail clients accessing the maildir.
I'm down to the last few issues with my new maildir sync back code, I just
can't get sup to show me the deleted and spam messages. I'm working on the
next branch, and it seems like it might be having problems with ruby 1.8
that comes with F12 and I seem to be unable to get ruby 1.9 installed. Once
I get things working I'll publish the branch to github.
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* Re: [sup-talk] Questions about offlineimap+msmtp+maildir+gmail syncing
2010-01-17 17:52 ` Scott Henson
@ 2010-01-17 20:42 ` William Morgan
2010-01-19 4:44 ` Scott Henson
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From: William Morgan @ 2010-01-17 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sup-talk
Reformatted excerpts from Scott Henson's message of 2010-01-17:
> I'm down to the last few issues with my new maildir sync back code, I
> just can't get sup to show me the deleted and spam messages.
If you're going through index.each_message or each_id, you need to
specify :load_spam => true and load_deleted => true.
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2010-01-17 20:42 ` William Morgan
@ 2010-01-19 4:44 ` Scott Henson
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From: Scott Henson @ 2010-01-19 4:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: William Morgan; +Cc: sup-talk
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I'm using Redwood::PollManager.each_message_from source like sup-sync-back
uses. Looking at the definition of that function, it will load all messages
from the source without discrimination. I've put my repo up on github (
http://github.com/shenson/sup) with my code in the release branch. It
includes my code to change the source id to the maildir id. The code I'm
actually running is in bin/sup-clean.
As far as I can tell, I'm using the same basic structure as sup-sync-back,
so I should be getting back all the messages. If anyone wants to clue me in
on what I'm doing wrong, I'd be very grateful. Thanks.
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 3:42 PM, William Morgan <wmorgan-sup@masanjin.net>wrote:
> Reformatted excerpts from Scott Henson's message of 2010-01-17:
> > I'm down to the last few issues with my new maildir sync back code, I
> > just can't get sup to show me the deleted and spam messages.
>
> If you're going through index.each_message or each_id, you need to
> specify :load_spam => true and load_deleted => true.
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