* [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir?
@ 2010-07-20 2:00 David Rysdam
2010-07-20 2:15 ` Eric Gerlach
2010-07-20 14:52 ` David Rysdam
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From: David Rysdam @ 2010-07-20 2:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sup-talk
I'm new to Maildir, so I'm not sure how this should be working.
I've got getmail fetching my POP3 mail to a Maildir and I've got sup
pointed at that (as an additional source, not the primary one).
Just tonight, I noticed that most of my mail is in /new rather than
/cur. Because sup isn't moving it?
Also, every message in /new is repeated dozens of times. getmail has
been fetching my entire 30-day-long mailbox every time. Like I said,
I'm not sure how Maildir is supposed to work, so maybe getmail is
doing the right thing (i.e. "fetch everything after the last thing in
/cur") or not.
I'm on a fairly old version of sup: 0.10.2.
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* Re: [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir?
2010-07-20 2:00 [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir? David Rysdam
@ 2010-07-20 2:15 ` Eric Gerlach
2010-07-20 2:46 ` Ben Walton
2010-07-20 14:52 ` David Rysdam
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From: Eric Gerlach @ 2010-07-20 2:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sup-talk
Excerpts from David Rysdam's message of Mon Jul 19 22:00:22 -0400 2010:
> I'm new to Maildir, so I'm not sure how this should be working.
>
> I've got getmail fetching my POP3 mail to a Maildir and I've got sup
> pointed at that (as an additional source, not the primary one).
>
> Just tonight, I noticed that most of my mail is in /new rather than
> /cur. Because sup isn't moving it?
>
> Also, every message in /new is repeated dozens of times. getmail has
> been fetching my entire 30-day-long mailbox every time. Like I said,
> I'm not sure how Maildir is supposed to work, so maybe getmail is
> doing the right thing (i.e. "fetch everything after the last thing in
> /cur") or not.
>
> I'm on a fairly old version of sup: 0.10.2.
I've also just started with sup, and though I don't know about sup's
behaviour (I think it should be moving mail from new/ to cur/ as well)
I do, however, have experience with POP and Maildirs, and it sounds like
you might have getmail misconfigured. Is it set to delete messages from
the server?
Cheers,
Eric
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* Re: [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir?
2010-07-20 2:15 ` Eric Gerlach
@ 2010-07-20 2:46 ` Ben Walton
2010-07-20 9:51 ` Sven Moritz Hallberg
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From: Ben Walton @ 2010-07-20 2:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Excerpts from Eric Gerlach's message of Mon Jul 19 22:15:17 -0400 2010:
> I've also just started with sup, and though I don't know about sup's
> behaviour (I think it should be moving mail from new/ to cur/ as
> well)
I haven't looked at the most recent Maildir changes[1], but as is
sup's way it hasn't traditionally altered the filesystem at all. It
treats all mail sources as read-only, which in this case means it
doesn't do the ln new/foo cur/foo; rm new/foo steps.
HTH.
-Ben
[1] There was talk of implementing this as one step toward having sup
play nicer with other MUA's.
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2010-07-20 2:46 ` Ben Walton
@ 2010-07-20 9:51 ` Sven Moritz Hallberg
2010-07-20 11:07 ` Damien Leone
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From: Sven Moritz Hallberg @ 2010-07-20 9:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sup-talk
My humble personal opinion:
Excerpts from Ben Walton's message of 2010-07-20 04:46:41 +0200:
> > I've also just started with sup, and though I don't know about sup's
> > behaviour (I think it should be moving mail from new/ to cur/ as
> > well)
>
> I haven't looked at the most recent Maildir changes[1], but as is
> sup's way it hasn't traditionally altered the filesystem at all. It
> treats all mail sources as read-only, which in this case means it
> doesn't do the ln new/foo cur/foo; rm new/foo steps.
Guys, you should really implement this. This is not a policy (touch filesystem
or not) issue, but a compliance issue. As it stands, sup is basically violating
the Maildir "standard". Note that moving mails away from new has no semantic
meaning. The mail doesn't become "read" or unavailable to other MUAs or
anything. It's part of Maildir's access/concurrency design.
And the fact that sup doesn't "play nice" with other MUAs is in part a direct
artifact of this misbehaviour because others (correctly) move the mails out
from under sup's nose. If sup did this as it should, the files would stay in
place modulo renaming wrt. the file flags ("read" etc.), but that is another
issue which can be mitigated in another step. (And to an extent, this issue
exists with all MUAs because the format of the flag fields isn't standardized.)
-pesco
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2010-07-20 9:51 ` Sven Moritz Hallberg
@ 2010-07-20 11:07 ` Damien Leone
2010-07-20 14:37 ` Sven Moritz Hallberg
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From: Damien Leone @ 2010-07-20 11:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
Excerpts from Sven Moritz Hallberg's message of Tue Jul 20 11:51:45 +0200 2010:
> Guys, you should really implement this. This is not a policy (touch filesystem
> or not) issue, but a compliance issue. As it stands, sup is basically violating
> the Maildir "standard". Note that moving mails away from new has no semantic
> meaning. The mail doesn't become "read" or unavailable to other MUAs or
> anything. It's part of Maildir's access/concurrency design.
>
> And the fact that sup doesn't "play nice" with other MUAs is in part a direct
> artifact of this misbehaviour because others (correctly) move the mails out
> from under sup's nose. If sup did this as it should, the files would stay in
> place modulo renaming wrt. the file flags ("read" etc.), but that is another
> issue which can be mitigated in another step. (And to an extent, this issue
> exists with all MUAs because the format of the flag fields isn't standardized.)
All of this is getting supported in the maildir-sync [0] branch that I
encourage you to test and review so it can be quickly merged into the
master branch. :)
Cheers,
[0] http://www.mail-archive.com/sup-devel@rubyforge.org/msg00566.html
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2010-07-20 11:07 ` Damien Leone
@ 2010-07-20 14:37 ` Sven Moritz Hallberg
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From: Sven Moritz Hallberg @ 2010-07-20 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Excerpts from Damien Leone's message of 2010-07-20 13:07:47 +0200:
> Excerpts from Sven Moritz Hallberg's message of Tue Jul 20 11:51:45 +0200 2010:
> > Guys, you should really implement this. This is not a policy (touch filesystem
> > or not) issue, but a compliance issue. As it stands, sup is basically violating
> > the Maildir "standard". Note that moving mails away from new has no semantic
> > meaning. The mail doesn't become "read" or unavailable to other MUAs or
> > anything. It's part of Maildir's access/concurrency design.
> >
> > And the fact that sup doesn't "play nice" with other MUAs is in part a direct
> > artifact of this misbehaviour because others (correctly) move the mails out
> > from under sup's nose. If sup did this as it should, the files would stay in
> > place modulo renaming wrt. the file flags ("read" etc.), but that is another
> > issue which can be mitigated in another step. (And to an extent, this issue
> > exists with all MUAs because the format of the flag fields isn't standardized.)
>
> All of this is getting supported in the maildir-sync [0] branch that I
> encourage you to test and review so it can be quickly merged into the
> master branch. :)
Ah, thanks for that! I'll try to check it out!
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* Re: [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir?
2010-07-20 2:00 [sup-talk] not moving msgs to /cur in Maildir? David Rysdam
2010-07-20 2:15 ` Eric Gerlach
@ 2010-07-20 14:52 ` David Rysdam
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From: David Rysdam @ 2010-07-20 14:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sup-talk
An agent or agents purporting to be David Rysdam said:
> Also, every message in /new is repeated dozens of times. getmail has
> been fetching my entire 30-day-long mailbox every time. Like I said,
> I'm not sure how Maildir is supposed to work, so maybe getmail is
> doing the right thing (i.e. "fetch everything after the last thing in
> /cur") or not.
OK, I've looked at this a little more. I think getmail is either
misbehaving or misconfigured. The POP3 behavior can't be predicated
on what is in the Maildir for multiple reasons, therefore sup's
behavior in the Maildir (right or wrong) can't be the source of this
issue.
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