* [sup-talk] You've got the "From " bug, I'm afraid.
@ 2008-10-30 3:41 Robin Lee Powell
2008-11-05 18:40 ` William Morgan
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From: Robin Lee Powell @ 2008-10-30 3:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
I'm trying out sup, coming from mutt, and I've hit what is, for me,
a show-stopper bug.
sup things that the line:
From bob:
starts a new mail in mbox files.
I put lines like that all over the place in my mails.
-Robin
--
They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something
other than the default outcome?" -- http://shorl.com/tydruhedufogre
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* [sup-talk] You've got the "From " bug, I'm afraid.
2008-10-30 3:41 [sup-talk] You've got the "From " bug, I'm afraid Robin Lee Powell
@ 2008-11-05 18:40 ` William Morgan
2008-11-05 20:00 ` Tomas Pospisek ML
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From: William Morgan @ 2008-11-05 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
Reformatted excerpts from Robin Lee Powell's message of 2008-10-29:
> I'm trying out sup, coming from mutt, and I've hit what is, for me,
> a show-stopper bug.
>
> sup things that the line:
>
> From bob:
>
> starts a new mail in mbox files.
>
> I put lines like that all over the place in my mails.
Do those lines actually occur raw in the mbox files? Because this is
the standard, well-known mbox design flaw, but the solution is typically
for clients to write ">From" instead of "From " when adding messages to
the mbox.
If mutt writes those lines raw, then Sup may have to be more heuristic
in my mbox scanning. OTOH, we've had a large number of Sup users who
come from mutt (including me!), and I think you're the first who's
complained of this.
--
William <wmorgan-sup at masanjin.net>
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* [sup-talk] You've got the "From " bug, I'm afraid.
2008-11-05 18:40 ` William Morgan
@ 2008-11-05 20:00 ` Tomas Pospisek ML
2008-11-06 1:16 ` Bart Schaefer
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From: Tomas Pospisek ML @ 2008-11-05 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 11/5/2008, "William Morgan" <wmorgan-sup at masanjin.net> wrote:
>Reformatted excerpts from Robin Lee Powell's message of 2008-10-29:
>> I'm trying out sup, coming from mutt, and I've hit what is, for me,
>> a show-stopper bug.
>>
>> sup things that the line:
>>
>> From bob:
>>
>> starts a new mail in mbox files.
>>
>> I put lines like that all over the place in my mails.
>
>Do those lines actually occur raw in the mbox files? Because this is
>the standard, well-known mbox design flaw, but the solution is typically
>for clients to write ">From" instead of "From " when adding messages to
>the mbox.
>
>If mutt writes those lines raw, then Sup may have to be more heuristic
>in my mbox scanning. OTOH, we've had a large number of Sup users who
>come from mutt (including me!), and I think you're the first who's
>complained of this.
I'm coming from (al)pine and alpine. There actually is a line like this
in the raw mbox:
----------------
blablabla
From bla bli blu
bla bla bla
----------------
Apparently (al)pine doesn't quote, when there's not _an empty line_
before the "From" line. [1] seems to provide a little bit of a meager
reference.
*t
[1] http://qmail.org/qmail-manual-html/man5/mbox.html
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* [sup-talk] You've got the "From " bug, I'm afraid.
2008-11-05 20:00 ` Tomas Pospisek ML
@ 2008-11-06 1:16 ` Bart Schaefer
2008-11-06 1:50 ` Tomas Pospisek ML
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From: Bart Schaefer @ 2008-11-06 1:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Tomas Pospisek ML <tpo2 at sourcepole.ch> wrote:
>
> Apparently (al)pine doesn't quote, when there's not _an empty line_
> before the "From" line. [1] seems to provide a little bit of a meager
> reference.
Pine and by inheritance alpine have a very strict view of what
constitutes valid syntax for the line that begins a new message in
mbox format. It has to have the email address in the correct place,
the date has to be in the correct format, etc., or it doesn't count.
I believe it has a configuration option for whether it sticks a ">" in
front of lines that begin with "From " but don't have the entire
correct layout.
Other email clients have a much more liberal notion of what
constitutes a so-called From_ line. Mush/Z-Mail, the email clients
that I used to work on (as in, write the C code for) 15 years ago,
would accept a fairly wide variety of formats, but they all had to
have an address and something resembling a date.
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* [sup-talk] You've got the "From " bug, I'm afraid.
2008-11-06 1:16 ` Bart Schaefer
@ 2008-11-06 1:50 ` Tomas Pospisek ML
2008-11-06 11:21 ` Bart Schaefer
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From: Tomas Pospisek ML @ 2008-11-06 1:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 11/6/2008, "Bart Schaefer" <barton.schaefer at gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Tomas Pospisek ML <tpo2 at sourcepole.ch> wrote:
>>
>> Apparently (al)pine doesn't quote, when there's not _an empty line_
>> before the "From" line. [1] seems to provide a little bit of a meager
>> reference.
>
>Pine and by inheritance alpine have a very strict view of what
>constitutes valid syntax for the line that begins a new message in
>mbox format. It has to have the email address in the correct place,
>the date has to be in the correct format, etc., or it doesn't count.
>I believe it has a configuration option for whether it sticks a ">" in
>front of lines that begin with "From " but don't have the entire
>correct layout.
>
>Other email clients have a much more liberal notion of what
>constitutes a so-called From_ line. Mush/Z-Mail, the email clients
>that I used to work on (as in, write the C code for) 15 years ago,
>would accept a fairly wide variety of formats, but they all had to
>have an address and something resembling a date.
Possibly (al)pine is following RFC 4155, that describes how the "From"
delimiter should look like down in Appendix A... ?
*t
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* [sup-talk] You've got the "From " bug, I'm afraid.
2008-11-06 1:50 ` Tomas Pospisek ML
@ 2008-11-06 11:21 ` Bart Schaefer
2008-11-10 3:58 ` William Morgan
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From: Bart Schaefer @ 2008-11-06 11:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Tomas Pospisek ML <tpo2 at sourcepole.ch> wrote:
>
> Possibly (al)pine is following RFC 4155, that describes how the "From"
> delimiter should look like down in Appendix A... ?
Given the history, I think it's equally likely that RFC 4155 follows
Pine. :-) The original mbox driver from the UW c-client package
predates that RFC by nearly 20 years. 4155 is a case of documenting
folklore so that newcomers don't have to learn it by hearsay.
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* [sup-talk] You've got the "From " bug, I'm afraid.
2008-11-06 11:21 ` Bart Schaefer
@ 2008-11-10 3:58 ` William Morgan
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From: William Morgan @ 2008-11-10 3:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
Reformatted excerpts from barton.schaefer's message of 2008-11-06:
> Given the history, I think it's equally likely that RFC 4155 follows
> Pine. :-) The original mbox driver from the UW c-client package
> predates that RFC by nearly 20 years. 4155 is a case of documenting
> folklore so that newcomers don't have to learn it by hearsay.
Okee doke, I've made an official ditz issue to replicate this
20-year-old piece of work.
--
William <wmorgan-sup at masanjin.net>
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