Subject: [sup-talk] The 'd' key, and other suggestions

From: [email-masked] (Dan Sully)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:04:11 -0700

Perhaps my fingers haven't been retrained quite yet, but two things I've
noticed while going through my mail this morning:

'D' in the inbox seems like a poor choice - I've twice now reverted my state.

'd' while looking at a message doesn't have the behavior I thought it would
(being so close to mutt in other ways), of deleting the current message and
moving onto the next one.

Also when composing a mail, I find Mutt's prompting of To & Subject very
helpful before being dumped into the editor (below the subject line as well).

Just noticed another slight bug - I just suspending this process (^Z), and
then fg'd it - cursing is a bit wrong, it placed me back in the "Reply to
Sender / Reply to Mail list / Reply to All' screen, instead of my editor.
Thankfully a ^L fixed that.

-D
--
<dsully> please describe web 2.0 to me in 2 sentences or less.
<jwb> you make all the content. they keep all the revenue.

-- 

-D
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<dsully> please describe web 2.0 to me in 2 sentences or less.
<jwb> you make all the content. they keep all the revenue.

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From: [email-masked] (William Morgan)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:45:08 -0700

Hi Dan,

Excerpts from Dan Sully's message of Wed Jul 25 08:04:11 -0700 2007:
> 'd' while looking at a message doesn't have the behavior I thought it
> would (being so close to mutt in other ways), of deleting the current
> message and moving onto the next one.

I can change the default mappings, but then everyone else would have to
retrain their fingers. Maybe you could make a case for 'D'. Do other
ex-mutt users have this problem? (In general mutt keystroke
compatibility is not really my priority, but I do recognize my target
audience here.)

In the future keybindings will be configurable, but that's pretty far
down on the list at the moment.

> Also when composing a mail, I find Mutt's prompting of To & Subject
> very helpful before being dumped into the editor (below the subject
> line as well).

I do plan to have Sup prompt you for To: so that you can have tab
completion. I'm not so sure about Subject though. In general I like to
keep stuff in the editor as much as possible because that's a far better
place to edit text than my shitty ncurses readline emulator.

Cursor positioning to below Subject: is editor-specific. With vi I
think you can use something like -c '/^$'.

> Just noticed another slight bug - I just suspending this process (^Z),
> and then fg'd it - cursing is a bit wrong, it placed me back in the
> "Reply to Sender / Reply to Mail list / Reply to All' screen, instead
> of my editor.

Yeah, this is a known problem and I have no idea how to fix it.  In fact
sometimes curses is just completely crazy after a suspend and I can't
get it to do anything sensible and have to ^C. No idea.

-- 
William <wmorgan-sup at masanjin.net>

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From: [email-masked] (jeff covey)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:46:52 -0400

Excerpts from William Morgan's message of Thu Jul 26 01:45:08 -0400 2007:

> Maybe you could make a case for 'D'. Do other ex-mutt users have this
> problem? 

i do find it awkward when i'm processing my inbox and want to delete the
thread i'm reading and move to the next new one.  i have to hit "x", "d",
"tab", "enter", and that adds up to an annoyance after the first twenty
times.  it would be great if one keystroke did it all.

"h" seems to be unused in thread-view-mode.  would it be a better choice for
"toggle detailed header", with "d" triggering something like "delete the
current thread and open the next new thread in the previous buffer"?  in
other words, if you've done a search on "foo", opened a thread from the
search, and hit "d", sup would delete the thread being viewed, close its
buffer, and look for and open the next unread thread in the "foo" search
buffer (or just go to the "foo" search buffer if there's nothing unread in
it).  too complicated?

thanks,

-- 
jeff covey
http://jeffcovey.net/

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From: [email-masked] (nicholas a. evans)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:45:56 -0400

> times.  it would be great if one keystroke did it all.

Since we're on the subject of keybindings, my other pet peeve: "a" versus
"A", in thread-view-mode.  Because index-view-mode uses "a", I press that in
thread-view-mode expecting to have the thread archived.  For some reason, I
can never seem to remember to use "A" instead.

So, I generally do: "a", "^G", "A".
Or sometimes: "a", "^G", "x", "a".
Or sometimes: <sit... think about it... hmmm...>, "A".

Muscle memory is no good for that keybinding.  ;-)

In general, if there is a command that operates on a message from index mode
and makes sense to also operate in thread-view-mode, it would be useful if
they had the same keybinding.

-- 
Nick